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 Post subject: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:40 pm 

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Hi everyone,

This is my first post and I'm looking for some advice. I've been a customer (and lurker) of CKTG for a while now, but just registered because I'm stuck on picking a new workhorse blade. It seems that some of the knives I was interested are out of stock.

I lent two knives to a "friend" over a year ago and have come to the conclusion that I will not see them again. One of them was my workhorse Kikuichi 210 gyuto (stainless, brown wood handle, was just OK). I am currently borrowing my girlfriends Togiharu Molybdenum 210 but I need to man up and get my own. I have a Masamoto VG in 240, but it's too much knife to use for long periods of time as I get fatigued a bit so it's my home knife. I also own a Hiromoto AS petty that I love and use almost as much as my borrowed 210.

I like the AS steel edge in my Hiromoto petty and was looking at the gyuto but it's out of stock. Something in AS might be nice, but I'm open to other materials that might have similar properties.

Another preference that I have is that it has something closer to a 50/50 grind. 60/40, 70/30, even 80/20 are all fine. No full on single sided blades.

1. Are you right handed? Yes
2. What type of knife are you interested in (gyuto, nakiri etc..) Gyuto. I am in the industry and plan on buying a new all-a-rounder.
3. What size knife are you looking for? I'd prefer a 210, maybe a tad bigger but not smaller. Maybe even a 240 if it is lightweight and well balanced for a shallow pinchgrip.
4. Do you prefer carbon or stainless steel? I prefer the stiffness of carbon and I know how to take care of them, but will be using this every day as my main knife, so I'm open to a clad blade for the quick and easy aspect.
5. Do you prefer a western handle or a Japanese handle? I've worked with both and really have no preference, as long as it is easy to maintain and has a nice fit and finish. Light weight is a plus so as not to avoid fatigue.
6. How much did you want to spend? Around $200-$275
7. Do you know how to sharpen?Yes

Thanks for your time!


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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:45 pm 

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Also, I should mention that I am in no rush. If some new orders that sound like they might fit the bill are expected in the next few weeks, I can wait.

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:56 pm 
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http://www.chefknivestogo.com/gokogyuto240mm.html

A wa gyuto, on lighter side (same weight as a 210mm Hiromoto AS western handled gyuto) so a 240mm might fit the bill.

Great knife, everything you're looking for, and in stock.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kohdwa24.html

Another good option, more refined, more of a "Laser" knife so it's very thin. Great steel, not clad.....a favorite amongst us nuts. :)

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/rila24gyro.html

Another good option in the "Laser" category.



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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:59 pm 
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The Hiro gyuto is a good knife and you like and know the steel. I'll have more very soon. My guess is Monday. They are in the air as we speak. This custom one stretches your price range just a bit but Adam does sweet handles and it's available now: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/hi21gybyadma.html It turns a good knife into a great one and it's still under $300.



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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:00 pm 
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I should add that I can have any freaking knife I want and I chose to get one almost exactly like this a few years ago from Adam.



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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:12 pm 

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I love my little Hiromoto :)

5 stars for knife and another 5 for Adam's custom handle

Great job guys!


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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:12 pm 

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I really appreciate the suggestions!

That custom Hiro is stunning! Nice work! I am tempted by it, but I also like the idea of having a few different materials in my roll so I may stray away from AS steel, even though I know I love it.

The Konosukes are leading the way, I think. I wonder if you could tell me more about the 240 Konesuke HD2 Wa-Gyuto Ho. What is the edge bevel on this? 50/50?.

Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:28 am 
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The Konosuke stock edge bevel is -- or it least it used to be -- convex, and probably created on a belt sander. The geometry is symmetric; so yes the stock ratio of asymmetry is 50/50.

15* edge bevels are probably as close as you can get to the stock edge. 15* edge angles on a laser are pretty damn sharp. 10* angles will act even sharper, but of course, they're not as durable.

I have two Konosuke HDs; a 270mm gyuto and a 300mm suji. Both are sharpened to 10* flat bevels, at roughly 2:1 left handed asymmetry. This geometry works well for me, but neither knife sees much in the way of tough duty.

There are frequently things which can be done to prevent hand fatigue besides using a short knife. It's probably stupid to suggest anything without knowing more about you, so...

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 Post subject: Re: Workhorse Gyuto Needed
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:43 am 

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Thanks BDL.

I went ahead and bought the 240 Kono HD2 Wa-Gyuto. Really looking forward to it. I really appreciate all the help.

Jesse


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:13 pm 
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Great knife, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.



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