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 Post subject: Re: White #2 flavors
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:57 pm 

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I too have been eyeing the Masakage knives. According to Jason in his review of the Yuki petty knife, machines never touch these knives. They are hand made by a particular master craftsman. All of their blades are sharpened by one man. The names of the individuals involved in the process are on their website.

 Post subject: Re: White #2 flavors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:45 pm 

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Interesting thread. Good info....

 Post subject: Re: White #2 flavors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:55 pm 
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It seems to me that the majority of Japanese knives are hand-forged. I've seen countless videos of makers pounding away with those hammer units, forming their products. I wouldn't worry too much about it, especially if you've spent time reading about the maker, etc....should be fairly clear.

The way i understand it, is that most of the pre-laminated material gets forged anyway, mostly for damascus, layered type blades; the pre-laminated material still goes through the same pounding/heat treat process.

Stamped knives, by big companies that use quality steel...can still be very good.

 Post subject: Re: White #2 flavors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:53 pm 

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I have bought some hand-forged knives, and frankly, though I bought because I liked the idea of something that was unique and handmade, what I found was that you pay a huge premium for such knives and sometimes the quality control is laughable. My 1st high end 240 Masamoto VG10 was much better made and finished.
Two examples- Tagayaki Honyaki-240 - bought from Japan Woodworker. EE sells same knife for way more. Very crudely forged and finished knife that took a huge amount of thinning to make even slightly usable.
2) 240 Semi stainless 240 Heiji- a $350+ knife bought from the maker, JKI sells for a something like $550! Another thick relatively crude knife. It did have very hard steel that I had a very hard sharpening. I think it might have had heat treat problems.
At any rate, I sold these knives and was very glad to get my $ or close to it out of them. There is a lot to be said for the consistency of a well made well finished mass produced knife. Just my 2 cents.

 Post subject: Re: White #2 flavors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:44 am 
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Jeff - I get what you're saying and I agree that hand-made/hand-forged doesn't always result in a great or consistent product. I like "character", but I also really appreciate precision. The knife reviews/comments on CKTG and the wealth of info here gave me more confidence in selecting a hand-forged knife that should deliver the quality, precision, and character that I am expecting (I don't have it in my hot little hands yet :)).

I don't think that I would purchase a knife like the Masakage Yuki from another vendor sight unseen.

That being said, most people that just want to get a knife that they know will be great "out of the box" are very well served by the consistency of more mass produced products. I was, honestly, pleasantly surprised by the fit, finish, and performance of my $75 Artifex 210 Gyuto. I'm recommending this knife to friends as I introduce them to the revelation that is J-Knife performance and feel.


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