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 Post subject: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:50 am 

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Okay so having finally been able to order a 'Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba Mirror' I’m now thinking I should probably have a good set of stones to keep it sharp. I’m not a newbie to sharpening but the only stone I currently have is a Global combination stone (240/1000 grit).

Given I’ve ordered a good quality knife I want some good quality stones. I’ve been reading through the forum to see what others have recommended but would like feedback on the list I’ve drawn up.
My thinking is to start with 3 stones – 1000, 5000/6000 and a 10000 or 12000.

I like the look of the Arashiyama set which would get me the 1000 and 6000. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html

I’m a little bit unsure about what to get for a finer grit though so here’s what I’m looking at:
- Imanishi 10,000 Finishing Stone
- Chosera 10,000 Grit
- Naniwa 12,000 Grit Superstone
- Nubatama Bamboo 15K

I’ve read some people say that for knives you don’t need to go to 10000 grit or higher but given the finish on the Doi I thought having the fine grit will help maintain it looking good. The knife will only be used at home so I want to make sure it looks it’s best as well as being sharp (of course!).

What do people think? I’m a bit reluctant about the Nubatama 15K (and the Chosera for that matter) because for the price I could probably get a natural stone.

I also plan to order a flattening plate and a sink bridge.

Look forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts and thanks in advance.

James


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:22 pm 

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I'm no expert with the stones, but instead of a 10-15k stone you might just want to go with a strop. Once you sharpen your edge on your 1k to 5/6k stones (probably even 3k for that matter) you can polish it with a strop very easily. I haven't used balsa yet, but leather is very nice as it can follow contours and smooth out/blend a convex edge nicely without having to think so much about constantly changing angles on a stone. Plus you don't have to sell any children to afford a strop. lol They can be made quite easily for next to nothing, with the only real expense being the compound, and honestly you can use buffing wheel compound that can be found pretty cheaply.

That being said, I love the idea of the hone base found on CKtG and the magnetic strop system. There is quite a lot of versatility there. Plus, if that is the one Mark uses in his videos it is even better as it has the glass plate inside so it is ready to use films with as well. I make my own strops, but that hone base and strop system is really tempting me to make another investment. lol


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:23 pm 

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Oh yeah, I forgot the link: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/honebase.html

Sorry for the double post!


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:45 pm 
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James Lewis wrote:Okay so having finally been able to order a 'Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba Mirror' I’m now thinking I should probably have a good set of stones to keep it sharp. I’m not a newbie to sharpening but the only stone I currently have is a Global combination stone (240/1000 grit).

Given I’ve ordered a good quality knife I want some good quality stones. I’ve been reading through the forum to see what others have recommended but would like feedback on the list I’ve drawn up.
My thinking is to start with 3 stones – 1000, 5000/6000 and a 10000 or 12000.

I like the look of the Arashiyama set which would get me the 1000 and 6000. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html

I’m a little bit unsure about what to get for a finer grit though so here’s what I’m looking at:
- Imanishi 10,000 Finishing Stone
- Chosera 10,000 Grit
- Naniwa 12,000 Grit Superstone
- Nubatama Bamboo 15K

I’ve read some people say that for knives you don’t need to go to 10000 grit or higher but given the finish on the Doi I thought having the fine grit will help maintain it looking good. The knife will only be used at home so I want to make sure it looks it’s best as well as being sharp (of course!).

What do people think? I’m a bit reluctant about the Nubatama 15K (and the Chosera for that matter) because for the price I could probably get a natural stone.

I also plan to order a flattening plate and a sink bridge.

Look forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts and thanks in advance.

James


Most people don't need a high grit polishing stone but some people like working the blade road on a yanagi and putting a mirror finish on the blade. For this purpose I would suggest the Imanishi 10K since it's a lot less money than the others you listed and it does a great job putting a mirror finish on steel. You need to use a tight progression when trying to achieve a mirror finish so use your savings on this stone to add grits below it. 500-1K, 2K, 4K, 6K 10K would be a good progression to get a mirror finish on the blade road. Since your knife is in good shape you could ditch the 500.

For general sharpening if you don't want to mess with making the finish mirror, a simple 1K, 6K would work just fine for this knife and give you a really nice edge. Refining it with a 10K would be ok as well since slicers do better with a more refined edge.



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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:37 am 
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The Arashiyama set is a very good 1k, 6k set and a good place to start. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html



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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:23 am 

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I find it easier to make a mirror finish on knives using wetordry sandpaper and compounds. It's a lot easier to conform to the high and low spots on a yanagi, because I'm willing to bet that it's not perfectly flat.


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:09 pm 

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Thanks for all the advice.

So based on what Mark advised and some other reading I've done, I think I'll add the following to my line up:

Nubatama Bamboo 2000
Nubatama Bamboo 4000

The Bamboo 2000 is not cheap but sounds like an awesome stone.


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:23 pm 

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Your not going to get the results you may think from the stones your looking to purchase. It's not as simple as to just use a bunch of quality stones and like magic your bevel looks like new.

To keep the contrast between hard and soft metals plus produce a polished edge your not only going to test your skills but the stones you have chosen.

I used a lot of stone combos to sharpen single bevel knives and I did so because its not a simple sharpening. It becomes more about what the stone can do than what "grit" it is and often if you pay too much attention to the numbers you will end up with poor results.

I like King stones (yep, King), Arashiyama stones, Nubatama stones, Chosera stones, and natural stones for single bevel knives. Any one of these stones or brands could be used to great effect but thats the key, the ability to actually use the stone.

Last thing I would like to add is you don't need a 10k or higher stone to finish the edge. Some of my best edges on a yanagi came from 5k and 6k stones. Not saying you can't but I would recommend natural stones if you do.


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:38 am 

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Thanks Jason. I hear what you're saying with regards to skills and ability. I have got other knives to practice on and will also get a cheaper single bevel to practice further on. I have sharpened quite a few knives before but not using a series of quality stones. I would certainly like to get a natural stone but might start with these first.

It's been interesting read people's views on various stones and how stones don't necessarily perform to there grit number. I guess to some degree I need to try different stones to see how they perform.

Do you think I could substitute the Imanishi 10K for a natural, so go straight from the 6K to the natural? Or is that a "it depends"?


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 Post subject: Re: What Stones for Keijiro Doi Blue Steel Yanagiba ?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:52 pm 

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The factory finish is not something your going to be able to remake. It's not done with stones so once you sharpen with stones you will yield the finish of that stone.

When they say "mirror" its probably not the "mirror" your expecting, the 6k Arashiyama will likely produce a finer polish. If the Arashiyama set appeals to you then get it, hut instead of a higher grit stone get something like the blue Aoto to fill the gap http://www.chefknivestogo.com/blueaoto.html


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