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 Post subject: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:22 pm 
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Hi again! i have a question for you, i need information about sharpening stones, i have a dual minosharp 220/1k and i want to know more about which stones i need to buy. I'd really appreciate a not seller answer, but a foodie one.
thanks in advance.



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:47 pm 
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What kind of knives are you sharpening? How much use do they get?

I may be in the minority here, but I think you learn more from "less forgiving" stones than you do from the soft, "polite" ones that are generally recommended for beginners. The downside is that your first efforts are likely to be a bit frustrating -- sort of like learning on a clutch car -- a lot of things going on at once and your brain hasn't yet made sense of them all at first.

I did well for years with Shapton Glass Stones in a 2k and a 6k, and probably could have done just fine with just the 2k. I brought my damaged knives to a professional sharpener that not only used waterstones, but was sufficiently good to be able to handle Japanese knives properly, so I didn't need anything much finer than the 2k. The 1k/4k kit is probably good as well -- I haven't tried that jump, but I would hope they wouldn't package something together that didn't make sense. Anything more than a true 5-6k is overkill for most kitchen knives in most home-kitchen situations.

I haven't worked with the stones mentioned other than the 150 Bamboo, but I can say that Ken tends to be a pretty straight shooter, so this is probably going to be a great set-up as well:

From nubatama-stones-t2980.html
ken123 wrote:Now for the beginning sharpener, an excellent starter set would be the 150 Bamboo, 1k Speckled medium hardness Ume and 5k Bamboo. Mark is going to be offering this as a set. Not only is this an excellent starter set, but these are something that you will continue to use as your requirements become more sophisticated.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:25 pm 
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The stone you have is all you really NEED. Anything beyond 1,000 grit is candy. I'd get, in order:

Flattening plate
4 to 6,000 grit
500 (ish)
2,000 (ish)
10,000 (ish)



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:28 pm 

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Hello there! im the guy who sent the mail to Mark, the knives i use are:

Cheff 24 cm " Global " G-16
Flexible 14 cm " Global "
Utility Knife " Global " GSF-49
Vegetable knife 16cm " Global " G-5
Santoku 45 layers damascus ( VG-10 nucleo ) 18 cm " Hocho "

I use them at work, every day, i also use a sharpening steel of ceramic " Global " everyday to take care of the edge and my waterstone twice a month.

I'm planning to upgrade my knives set, so i guess i'll need to upgrade as well my sharpening's stones. i want to get a good quality set, so that it last a good time.

thanks in advance for any advice you might give me.

PS: Sorry for my english im an Argentinian living in Spain, here the people dont talk as well and im forgot a little it.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:17 am 

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The easy answer is to buy one of the kits Mark has assembled.

There is the popular five piece set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/3pcstoneset.html $139.95
There is the new Nubatama set (very nice): http://www.chefknivestogo.com/nushset.html $266.80
The eight piece set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/knshcoset.html $189.95

I may be missing something but any of these sets will fit a broad range of needs.

Now if you want to get a little creative, here is a great lineup . . . close to $400

Flattening plate/Universal Stone Holder/strop combo http://www.chefknivestogo.com/stsetwiunhob.html- $60.00
Diamond Spray to charge the balsa http://www.chefknivestogo.com/diamondspray.html- $38.95
Late 400 grit http://www.chefknivestogo.com/la400grst.html- $58.95
Nubatama Ume 1k http://www.chefknivestogo.com/nubatamaume1k1.html- $66.95
Naniwa Green Brick of Joy, 2k http://www.chefknivestogo.com/naao2kgrbr.html- $50.00 (currently out of stock)
sub for the Green Brick- Need some help here for a stone between the 1k and 5k
Suehiro Rika 5k http://www.chefknivestogo.com/suri50grst.html- $49.95
Kitayama 8K Grit http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kitayama8000.html- $78.00

Obviously you don't Need all of this, it is intended to be food for thought . . . however I'll bet you Want it all :)

What about Naturals???

Troy



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
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nice post Troy, i don't know much about Naturals stones, are they harder ?

I wonder which will be the edge's final result, if you could help me with that, i'll be thankfull.

At the moment i'm also choosing my lineup.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:12 pm 
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Natural stones vary A LOT....some are harder, some soft as chalk.

In Troy's list....the Kitayama would be the final stone used.....lowest grit to highest grit.



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:34 pm 

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Thanks, Utchinsons . . .

Adam is right the Kitayama is the final stone in this progression. Adam is also right that natural stones are difficult to nail down. The particle sizes vary within a single stone, so the scratch pattern is difficult to determine compared to a controlled particle size in a synthetic stone. It is probably better to learn with synthetics so you have relatively specific values to determine the differences of the scratch patterns at different grits.

Then once you have a good handle on what different stones do at different levels, you can begin to venture towards naturals (if you want). That is the path I took and I am glad I did . . . having fun with some naturals now!



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:25 am 

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Hello again guys, i have a quick question, what you think about " Shapton glass stone " ??


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening stone question
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:32 am 
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UTCH <> They're hard, thin, light, fast cutting stones.

With all due respect, I'd focus on replacing your Globals before concerning yourself with more stones. Get some nice steel; then you'll actually need another stone. Your stone is not your current limitation; those Globals are.



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