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 Post subject: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:11 am 
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> Hi, Mark. I have been using Tojiro DP 240mm about 2 1/2 years in my
> work. It' been a good knife but it's getting narrower now and I am
> looking for a new gyuto. Looking for same length but more durable and
> sharper one. And I prefer stainless. I am thinking to get a Hiromoto
> AS but open to other suggestions. Thank you for your help.
>
> Chris




> Hi Chris,
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> I just started a new forum for Chefknivestogo. Do you mind if I use your
> question and my answer? It will help others who read it. I'll only use your
> first name if I post it.
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> I have a couple questions about the knife:
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> Are you right handed?
> Do you know how to sharpen? If yes what's your routine?
> Do you like to rock the knife or push cut primarily?
> Do you want to get a western handled knife or Japanese handle?
> How much did you want to spend on the Chef Knife/Gyuto?
>

Sure. I don't mind. For you questions;

I am right handed.
Yes. I sharpen my knife with King 1000 and 6000.
I use my knife mostly for push cut and slice vegetables and fish.
I don't have preference on neither one but I find Japanese handle a
little bit more comfortable since I have small hand. I had some
modification on my Tojiro DP handle for more comfortable fit.
I prefer stainless for low maintenance.
Around 200.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:17 am 
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There are a few good, stainless, wa-gyutos for around $200 on our site.

Here are 3:

Takayuki Grand Chef:
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/wagyuto.html

Richmond Laser:
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/laser.html

Konosuke HH Stainless:
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/ko24wa.html



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:31 am 

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You can't go wrong with the Richmond Laser. Fantastic knife!



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:50 am 
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WickedSharp wrote:You can't go wrong with the Richmond Laser. Fantastic knife!


+1 to that! Love that knife, can't wait until Aaron sends mine back. :)



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:32 am 

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Knife Fanatic wrote:
WickedSharp wrote:You can't go wrong with the Richmond Laser. Fantastic knife!


+1 to that! Love that knife, can't wait until Aaron sends mine back. :)


Ah, yeah you're not going to be getting it back :mrgreen: :twisted: Great knife.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:44 pm 
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I'm going to make the Addict out of AEB-L later this summer. I love this steel....



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Mark. Thanks for the recommendations. It looks like Takayuki and
Richmond Laser are AEB-L steel but Knosuke is different. I heard
AEB-L steel is used in Aritsugu and is very hard to sharpen? And
Richmond Addict 2 use cpm154 steel. What is the difference between
this and AEB-L? And how these steel to campared to AS in Hiromoto and
Kanehiro or to Tojiro DP steel? Sorry about the many questions but I
am confused with so many different steel choices.

Chris.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Hi Chris,

The Aritsugu is made with a steel called Gokinko and it's not very similar to AEB-L. It's much tougher and as you mention it's difficult to sharpen.
The Konosuke is made with what they're calling "swedish steel". I'm not entirely sure what it is but it is similar to AEB-L (which is made from Swedish steel mill called Boller). The rap on the Konosuke was it was good but too soft. I urged Kosuke to heat treat the steel to 61 Rockwell about 6 months ago and the new HH knives that are just starting to appear on the site are done with the higher hardness (that's why we call them HH for high hardness)

One other plug for my knife. All of them come with a free one time sharpening anytime you want. Shaun Fernandez (aka Knife Fanatic) does the work. All you have to pay is postage.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Let me answer your other questions here. Hiromoto and Kanehiro are made with Aogami Super steel. Excellent steel but these are carbon, at least on the core steel. They are clad with stainless in a process called San Mai construction so most of the blade is stainless with the Aogami Super on the exposed edge.

Tojiro uses VG-10 steel which is pretty good stainless and these are an excellent value. It's not as good as AEB-L that is properly heat treated but it's good stainless steel and these are my go to recommendations for for people that want the best bang for their buck.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for an upgrade over Tojiro DP
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:31 am 
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I think the addict 2 with com 154 would be a hell of an upgrade, yea it starts out hard to sharpen but holds and edge like no ones business and will out proform most 300 dollar knives on the market and not bad priced. Just my two cents bit I can make a wasabi proform like most high dollar knives at 3 times the price. But this is just my op. peace jmbullman



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