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 Post subject: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Hi fellers!

I'm already looking for a long time for my first Japanese knife - a gyuto. The decision is really hard. Must ship overseas, so no return. Here is what I got in my finals. Despite the price, I hope those knifes can be compared in performance.
What I am looking for:

- Gyuto
- Right handed
- Preferrably AS or blue steel
- 240mm
- Japanese handle
- <350$
- Non-wedging
- Good food release

Moritaka Gyuto 240mm - $220
weight: 168g
spine thickness: 2.9mm
blade height: 47.3mm
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/moritaka8.html

Takeda Classic Sasanoha 240mm Large - $330
weight: 142g
spine thickness: 2.35mm
blade height: 46.3mm
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/taassala24gy.html

Kohetsu Aogami Super Gyuto 240mm - $185
weight: 158g
spine thickness: 2.76mm
blade height: 49.79mm
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/rikoaosu24gy.html

Any recommandations or comparisons would help a lot!


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:37 pm 

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Some odd bedfellows there...

I assume you have winnowed out the Richmond Laser in Aogami Super and the Konosuke HD? Given the one-way aspect of this knife I would be putting a premium on consistency of manufacture. You just KNOW both of those knives will be spot on.

Cheers,

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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 11:13 pm 
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Konosuke HD, and Richmond Laser are both far superior to the Kohetsu imo having used an HD and the Richmond and the Kohetsu...

I'd go with Takeda though I hated selling mine but needed it to go to a home that will love it and use it more than I was able to at work.


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:08 am 
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Thanks for your answers. I don't the like the HD's steel and handle very much maybe because I read so many good things about the AS. Also from the comments the HD seems not as versatile as others. Regarding the Richmond, I totally prefer original Japanese manufacturing.

The target materials for my new knife are basically: vegetables, roots, all sorts of meat (no bones).

Nmiller21k wrote:Konosuke HD, and Richmond Laser are both far superior to the Kohetsu imo having used an HD and the Richmond and the Kohetsu...

From the Kohetsu video the knife seems very good. What are the shortcomings compared to HD and Richmond Laser?


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:15 pm 

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Dforce - As someone noted above your three choices have more differences than similarities. What about these three knives caused them to make your short list?

cktg posted a video to their FB page yesterday on the Takeda that just about made me ummm wet myself. If you haven't watched this particular one it's perhaps the best knife porn video I've ever seen. If I was in the market AND I liked the rustic KU finish found on the Takeda and Moritaka that video would put me over the edge and I'd be watching the mailbox on Tuesday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBRuA91 ... e=youtu.be

Back to my question though, what drew you to these three in particular? Letting us know what you liked (and disliked) about each will be more helpful than posting the specs. All three will be great, but its personal preference. Do you like KU finish or prefer the shiny stainless look?


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:47 pm 
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The AS Laser is made in Japan and the handles are made in the US. So the blade is done in Japan, like many other knives are.

The Tanaka Sekiso 240mm is a great all around knife, I love mine! Works very well in sweet potatoes and other ingredients, a bit more weight to it than the Kono or Kohetsu, but not wedgey at all. My 240 Tanaka Sekiso, 240mm Richmond AS Laser, and 240mm Tanaka R2 Damascus are my 3 main go to gyuto's currently.


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:15 pm 
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The Kohetsu is a Richmond knife as is the AS laser. The kohetsu couldn't carry the HD2's jock. The Kono blows the Kohetsu out of the water. The HD steel not versatile.....please, one of the best steels on the market! Have you ever used it? I have have used both and the kohetsu is far behind the Kono in versitility and performance. The AS Laser is a much better knife than the Kohetsu.



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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:18 pm 
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snipes, thanks for that video. everyone should watch it!

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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:53 pm 
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So, the Kohetsu is out as it turns out that it's factory made and behind the others.
But HD2 is in!
Sorry, I have no experience at all with Japanese knifes which makes it that hard :(

Why should someone take the HD over Takeda or Moritaka? Pricewise it is in the golden middle.

@snipes: Awesome video, but no Sassanoha :(. But helped a lot to see its food release and other characteristics. Thanks!
Cannot say much about likes or dislikes. Its the look, Gyuto profile, handle (color). I like it dark, but hey. Figured out those knifes in terms of price, look, comments, recommendations, videos actually. Also I like the badass character of the KU finish :P.

@taz575: Cannot find the Tanaka Sekiso on the CKTG website.


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 Post subject: Re: Hard Gyuto Decision: Moritaka vs Takeda vs Kohetsu
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:54 pm 

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I picked up the Takeda Sasanoha from Nicholas and I must say it is a fantastic cutter, just like the video brings out - better than either of the Moritakas (KS & Kiritsuki) own.


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