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 Post subject: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:09 pm 

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Okay, here is the deal. I am a prep cook who has made the transition from western knives all together to japanese gyutos with western handles finally decideing that my favorite style of knife is a japanese gyuto with a wa handle cause they are so light and nimble. I have a Kono that I use at home and a Kohetsu that I use at work but my prep work has increased as of late and constant wiping of the Kohetsu, even though it is just on the edge, is annoying to me and I have decided to retire this knife from my roll even though I love it to death.
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I am looking for a stainless or semi-stainless wa gyuto in a semi-laser type knife at somewhat of a low price point. I have been looking at the Kaneshige's and the Tanaka Ginsan but I feel little is known about these two knives as they are relatively new to the site. What is your favorite stainless or semi-stainless wa gyuto at a reasonable price point so I won't be afraid to take it into work?


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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:43 pm 

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Full disclosure, I have not first hand experience with these knives, but...some thoughts:

If you like the the Kohetsu, you might consider waiting for the HAP40 steel version. The HAP40 is a new semi-stainless steel that should perform well in a commercial setting. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/rihakn.html

For what it is worth, I would not be overly concerned about the newness of either the Kaneshinge or the Tanaka Ginsan to this site. The Kaneshinge is the parent company of Konosuke whose reputation is well established here. If you would prefer a more established line from the same manufacturer consider either the Konosuke HH (stainless), http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kogy24.html; or the Honosuke HD (semi-stainless, http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kohdwa24.html. The Tanaka on the other hand is a well established manufacturer using a well established steel, the newness of this particular product should not necessarily alarm. There is some discussion here including some pictures if you would like to read some thoughts on the knife, tanaka-ginsan-handles-t4422.html.

Here are two offerings from Sakai Takayuki that should perform well: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/satadagy240.html, http://www.chefknivestogo.com/wagyuto.html. The second one here does not include weight in the specs, but the Damascus offering is 6oz which is on the lighter, therefore thinner side. The Damascus is also AEB-L a really outstanding stainless performer.

Lastly two knives from the Richmond lineup may work for you. The Wa Artifex, http://www.chefknivestogo.com/todpwa24.html, might be a budget contender. This appears to be a very different knife from the Western handled Artifex I own, but I have been happy with the Richmond knives I own from the Artifex lineup. This one is contracted with Fujiwara, who made another knife I own, with a strong reputation for its price point. The other would be the Laser, http://www.chefknivestogo.com/laser.html, the Laser is in AEB-L, like the Takayuki above, but is lighter, likely thinner, and a bit more expensive.

I hope this gives you some ideas. For reviews or head to head comparisons, gotta ask someone else...

Good luck,
Ryan


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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:51 pm 
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I like the Konosuke HH line very much: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/ko24wa.html



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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
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Sakai Takayuki Damascus Wa-Gyuto
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/satadagy210.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/satadagy240.html



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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
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http://www.chefknivestogo.com/wagyuto.html

Is another that might fit your bill.

I'm assuming you're wanting to stay away from the HD2 for cost/fear of theft/loss at work? If not, it's targets your request perfectly. :)



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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:34 pm 

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Excellent post cedarhouse, very informative! Anyway, like I said I own and love my Kono HD2 but as Adam Marr says cost/fear of theft/loss at work is the issue here. Also, the Sakai damascus is a bit too fancy for a work knife, my coworkers already call me a knife snob but extreme sharpness and functionality breeds much jealousy. I don't mean to shut everything down but I just wanted to let you guys know where I stand as to allow for a more fitting recommendation. So here is where I stand as candidates:

Sakai Takayuki Grand Chef
Tanaka Ginsan
Kaneshige
Kohetsu HAP40 which technically doesn't exist yet
as well as any other reccomendations you guys have

The Richmond laser is a bit out my price point which is anything ranging from $100 to $200. I am searching for that one knife that does almost everything I need it to and is a joy to use at work and so far up to this point it has been the Kohetsu minus having to constantly wipe it. Keep the good advice rolling boys.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:54 pm 
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I haven't handled the Tanaka Ginsan yet, but it definitely looks to be thinner at the edge than the Kaneshige Stainless 240, which I did play with for a week or so. Check out my post in the Customer Reviews forum. The Kaneshige will need some thinning and a slightly more acute 50/50 re-bevel to bring it to life IMO. It's a beast of a workhorse, though. I'd be willing to bet the Ginsan 240 will probably be better OOTB.

If you're used to the Kohetsu performance, and the Grand Chef is more than you want to spend, the Ginsan might be your best bet. Although the HAP40 Kohetsu line might be worth the wait :-).


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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:49 pm 
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Of the 3 you listed that are available the Tanaka Ginsan would be my choice with the Kaneshige a close second. I usually go for steel quality over fit and finish.



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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:01 pm 

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"Of the 3 you listed that are available the Tanaka Ginsan would be my choice with the Kaneshige a close second."

Over Hap40? Or just assuming instant gratification?


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 Post subject: Re: Replacement gyuto
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:06 pm 

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He said "Of the 3 you listed that are available". Mark went the instant gratification route. :P lol


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