It is currently Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:15 pm

All times are UTC



Welcome
Welcome to chefknivestogo

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other special features. In addition, registered members also see less advertisements. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free, so please, join our community today!





 Page 1 of 1 [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:53 pm 

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm
Posts: 423
Location: ATL
I'm curious if the rising popularity or pervasiveness in exotic / non-traditional steels being used by Japanese bladesmiths is a function of catering to the Western market or something else? The powdered tool steels are what initially come to mind, but not necessarily limited to that discussion.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:53 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:34 pm
Posts: 343
Here is a link you might want to check out regarding knife steels.


http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/2013 ... de-steels/


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:18 am 

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm
Posts: 423
Location: ATL
Phyllisco,

I'm having a hard time seeing a correlation between the contents of that article and my question. What am I missing?


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:06 am 

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:22 am
Posts: 733
Snipes,

I think you answered your own question. Most Japanese artisans seem to have their comfort zone wrt materials and specialize in one or two steels. They likely move into the PMs because of Western demand and there are yen to be made.

Some of the materials (HAP40 Damascus for example) is bought pre-made in sheets and the maker merely needs to shape and sharpen. A far cry from hunched over a fire.

Cheers,

Rick


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:11 am 

Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:16 pm
Posts: 156
I agree with Rick more like supply and demand Westerners want Edge Retention and are always searching for more so they are starting to conform to those standards instead of using the more traditional steels since there is coin to be made in the west


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:17 am 

Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:57 pm
Posts: 600
That said at least some of those steels (like ZDP or Cowry) are developed in Japan. So if they are innovating for the Western market they are doing it on both sides: raw materials and finished products.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:04 am 

Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 6:20 am
Posts: 1841
I assume two things are at play:
1) Progress: PM is available and increasingly cost effective so it is entering the market in the west and everywhere.
2) I assume there is similar interest in PM steels in Japan as there is here. The western market is not a vast untapped pool of demand for high end cutlery...I know because look at the crap most people think are good knives.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:42 pm 

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm
Posts: 423
Location: ATL
cedarhouse wrote:I assume two things are at play:
1) Progress: PM is available and increasingly cost effective so it is entering the market in the west and everywhere.
2) I assume there is similar interest in PM steels in Japan as there is here. The western market is not a vast untapped pool of demand for high end cutlery...I know because look at the crap most people think are good knives.



It's your second assumption that caused me to ask the question. I don't recall seeing many of the traditional Japanese knife styles being listed using these new steels. I've started seeing some of the AS stuff and maybe I'm missing the others, but the majority of what I see is focused around gyutos and pettys. I would have expected the same thing Cedar, but I just don't seem to be seeing it.


Last edited by snipes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:45 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:34 pm
Posts: 343
Snipes,
There was a method here..My post helped you get some answers right?
Thanks guys for helping Snipes out.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: exotic steels by Japanese craftsmen
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:59 pm 

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm
Posts: 423
Location: ATL
Phillysco,
I'm still unclear about your method. You posted a link about different steel types and how to respond to "which one is best?". I still don't see the correlation to original question, but I appreciate you weighing in and attempting to help me. The goal of the post was to hopefully generate conversation about things other than knife prices and which one is best.


Offline
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1 [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


suspicion-preferred