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Tojiro ITK Bread and Western Deba Questions

Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 pm


I am a home cook, do all my own sharpening at home, and have some experience with carbon vs stainless and different blade types, but am new to higher quality cutlery. Until early this week my best knives were Tramontina and Chicago cutlery hand-me-down singles.

On Tuesday I received a Tojiro DP 240mm gyuto and am totaly blown away. I don't know if I am enjoying the edge, the blade profile, the thinness of the blade, or just the novelty of such a nice knife more right now. Needless to say, I have the itch but I have a few questions about knives I am considering down the line.

First, I would love to play with a carbon knife such as the Fujiwara Gyuto. My question is: when you force a patina, is the pattern permanent? Does the subsequent oxidation due to use slowly blot out the pattern? And can you polish and re-patina the blade after it takes on a patina?

Second, I am interested in the Tojiro ITK break knife. My concern regards sharpening the blade. Is it possible to sharpen at home? If so, how? If sharpening must be done professionally, is the scalloped blade sufficiently common that most sharpeners will be able to work with the blade?

Third, I would like a heavier knife for working with harder materials like bone in cuts of meat and might double as a slicer. I love the look of the Tojiro DP Western Deba but wonder what other knives you might recommend in that role, preferably at or below that price-point?

Thank you so much for your advice.


Re: Tojiro ITK Bread and Western Deba Questions

Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 pm

Hi Ryan,

I just started a new forum for Chefknivestogo. Do you mind if I use your question and my answer? It will help others who read it. I'll only use your first name if I post it.

Yes I would encourage you to try a cheap, good carbon knife and the Fujiwara is an excellent candidate. They're fun to use and easy to sharpen. The pattern can be removed by polishing it off. We sell these cape cod tarnish removing cloths and they work pretty well but it takes some work.

We were just talking about this on our forum. There are several ways to do it at home :

You mentioned my first choice. I also keep a German Wusthof around for stuff like this and also a CCK bone chopper cleaver. You want soft steel for these types of tasks so the edge doesn't chip.

Kind Regards,
Mark Richmond
(608) 232-1137

Re: Tojiro ITK Bread and Western Deba Questions

Mon May 14, 2012 2:34 pm


By all means, feel free to post this e-mail in your forum.

To clarify: does the pattern from a forced patina on a carbon knife last long, or does it degrade to a more uniform grey?

Thanks again for your time,

Re: Tojiro ITK Bread and Western Deba Questions

Mon May 14, 2012 2:35 pm

The patina tends to get more dark and uniform over time.

Re: Tojiro ITK Bread and Western Deba Questions

Thu May 24, 2012 12:34 am

Thanks for the response Mark.
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