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 Post subject: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:50 pm 

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This one is for my wife. Must be stainless.
Tasks include: chopping veggies big (red peppers) and small(shallots), some fruit slicing like a lemon in half, cutting up an avocado and removing the pit,
and slicing a roasted chicken. Any paring, would be done by a dedicated paring knife.

Steve sent me some options from less expensive to more expensive:
( "Fujiwara FKM 120/150, Tojiro DP, and Suisin Inox....The Tanaka VG10 150 ... The Kohetsu HAP40 and Takamura R-2 are also great PM steel choices.")

We looked at each one on line and she these two the best.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/tavgpe15.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/takamura2.html

The Takamura has qualities hard to pass up: thin, light, nice fit and
finish. The hardness may mean that it is more challenging to sharpen on the arkie stones. Does " PM steel"
offer similar protection as all stainless?

The other preference is the Tanaka vg 10....my wife likes the height of this knife and since she surprisingly likes the
traditional handle on the anyru she was interested in this one, too. But, it's not as thin.

One thought that I'm keeping in mind is that the one knife she goes to the most is an old Victorinox which is light and has a thin blade.


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:05 pm 
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Might also consider the Richmond Artifex 150mm Utility http://www.chefknivestogo.com/riar15pe.html A lot of knife for the money but not as flashy.



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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:06 pm 
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Bill, I have a hybrid Yo handled version of the Tanaka VG10 150 Petty and it's awesome. The blade grind is just super and it gets really sharp. The 150 has enough extra length over the 120 to be more versatile or slightly larger ingredients or when slicing meat, tomatoes, etc.

I'm recommending the Tanaka VG-10 150 Petty :-).


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:03 pm 

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Steve,
You gave a great rec on the santuko, but I'm a little uncertain with the petty.
I like the Tanaka, but the other choice that stands out is the Takamura Migaki R-2 Petty 150mm.
Both have the same length. Since you have handled both and tolerated my newbie
twists and turns, I take your input with high regard. The R-2 has a nice thin blade. For me
this seems like a nice compliment to the anyru santuko which has much more backbone
and when the Victorinox is sacrificed to the practice sessions my wife won't miss it. No matter,
I can be swayed.


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:41 pm 
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They're both great knives. The Takamura will be less tall and more of a utility knife style. It's thinner, by quite a bit. The fit & finish is better than the Tanaka, mainly in the handle/bolster area. The Tanaka handle is nothing fancy, just very basic ho wood/buffalo horn ferrule. If you like a nicer handle, you'll like the one on the Takamura. The Takamura will be just a bit more on the delicate side. They both need respect in use and care, being thin at the edge. You can't beat on either one like a softer, thicker, Euro steel utility knife. The Takamura R-2 steel will take a little longer to sharpen than the Tanaka VG-10, but it has higher edge retention.

If you want more a departure from your Anryu, then the Takamura is probably your knife versus the Tanaka.

Let us know that you decide. It sounds like the Takamura is calling to you :-).


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:59 pm 

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Steve,
Well, you gave me something to ponder on..some more. We don't need
pretty as much as practical. VG-10 has a strong following. Must be
a reason for it.

All that aside, garage sales in the neighborhood this Saturday.
We have enough junk in the home, but maybe I'll find some interesting
knives to practice on.

A paring knife worthy of contacting pits is the next
knife to get to line up. It's either get the bent wusthoff (mother in law hand me down)
in shape or select one here. Given that we go with the Tanaka, do you
have a paring knife rec...also stainless...recommendation?


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:07 pm 
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Paring knife in closeouts: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/spearpoinpar.html. It will take rougher treatment than something like the Tojiro DP 90mm Paring (which is awesome BTW). It also looks to be clear of a heel bolster so sharpening will be easier.


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:31 am 
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HILL <> I have a habit of cutting to the chase in scenarios like this, and this is how I see it.

The Takamura is a short expensive steak-knife profile that limits its function.
The Tanaka <--link is a versatile utility knife.

You choose the profile; that's what cuts the cheese.

Far from my favorite parer, but my favorite feeling parer, ergonomically speaking, on the CKTG menu is the Shun <--link. It is not a robust knife in anyway & is more a finesse type knife, but it just feels so good.



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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:39 pm 

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Mel,
I thought that I had posted in response to Steve, but the log in seemed to have dropped it.
Anyway...I ordered the Tanaka after thinking more about the height profile.
Re a paring knife...the Shun does look trim and tidy! We are big big
fans of ergonomics and a paring knife needs this more than most.

So much so, that I'm wondering if it's too late to make an order
substitution instead of the Tojiro.??? I put it in last night.
Steve: Tojiro vs Shun for paring? Any difference in the ergonomics?

In the past I've seen many comments that the brand Shun is more
about marketing than substance. So I overlooked it, without first
hand knowledge.


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 Post subject: Re: Stainless petty: Tanaka vg10 or Takamura
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:41 pm 

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@Mel

The Tanaka VG-10 looks reactive from the picture, is that not a carbon clad Damascus , with VG-10 core?


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