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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:16 am 
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Well, for a long time, nothing was better than a belt sander with about a 1200 grit belt. But the belts wore easily, burned tips if you aren't real careful, and people don't like to see that. Plus it's messy and requires a plug.

So, to keep myself as hands-on and unplugged as I can(since that is what I offer over "the guy in the van"), I set out to figure out how to fix these knives, since they are all chipped and have snapped off tips. The best thing I've used is the Atoma 140. I prefer it over a belt sander unless a tip is broken off by like an inch, because it's wide, and reliably flat, unlike a platen. I have loved sharpening on these, but of course, a 140 grit edge isn't even good enough for a lawnmower, so it needs refining.

But any more than 1 more stone would be a huge waste of time. I needed a one stone solution.

I tried a LOT of stones, around a dozen, that all fit the bill for what might work. Some were great stones, but didn't leave an edge that I wanted.

Long story short--Naniwa Aotoshi. The edge it leaves is:
Toothy (good for belly-knives)
2k (about the max for a cheapo beater)
Shiny (good for customers)

The stone is:
fast - can work out those scratches
soft - keeps me from making mistakes, and won't harm a knife from a blunder---even cheap steel will shave the edge of this stone before it gets a hole ground in it
cheap - I can flatten it liberally and not feel bad.
responsive - and by that, I mean it changes in feel when the knife has reached the max finish

So I get the beaters, inspect them, clean them, fix the tips on the Atoma, grind out a new edge on the Atoma, chase the burr, deburr on a HA 1200 rod, take it to the Aotoshi until it is as refined as the stone will do, deburr into felt block, strop a bit on the aotoshi, done. I can do a block of Henckels in under 5 minutes, all by hand.



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:38 am 

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I am considering myself a profit, or is that prophet? Sharpening knives will be just part of the program.

Not that it's a big deal but...................I'm single now. Can you think of a better place to meet the ladies than the hippest farmer's market in town? Every Saturday?


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:49 am 

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I'm thinking about wearing a uniform. Well, not exactly a uniform but a "look" or trademark.

Boots of some kind, black. Jeans. Sleeveless shirt to show off my magnificent tanned forearms and my tattoo. Dark sunglasses. Black cowboy hat. Western style belt with cool Hopi Indian silver buckle. Big a$$ silver and turquise ring and of course a nice watch that will rotate. Perhaps one of the WT necklaces I have. One is gold with a shark's tooth and the other is silver with bear claw. (Don't ask)

You get the picture. Be a character. I might work on my old Okie accent.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:11 pm 
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Saltydog wrote:I am considering myself a profit, or is that prophet? Sharpening knives will be just part of the program.

Not that it's a big deal but...................I'm single now. Can you think of a better place to meet the ladies than the hippest farmer's market in town? Every Saturday?

I'm thinking about wearing a uniform. Well, not exactly a uniform but a "look" or trademark. Boots of some kind, black. Jeans. Sleeveless shirt to show off my magnificent tanned forearms and my tattoo. Dark sunglasses. Black cowboy hat. Western style belt with cool Hopi Indian silver buckle. Big a$$ silver and turquise ring and of course a nice watch that will rotate. Perhaps one of the WT necklaces I have. One is gold with a shark's tooth and the other is silver with bear claw. (Don't ask)

You get the picture. Be a character. I might work on my old Okie accent.


FRIGIN AWESOME!
8-) :!: :D :) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :!: 8-)



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:14 pm 
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SALTY <> Where I'm from I listen to talk radio, and there is a caller who's name is "Okie Man." I never knew that was a universal thing, but HAHAHAHA that would be AWESOME comic relief to pull off! Then after you hook up, you drop it, and watch their jaws drop, as well! :lol:



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:51 pm 
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Yeah I'd like to hear what you have to say about these calphalon beaters as well, I've been having major issue's with a whole set of em.

To the point where I think the steel is just ruined/bad. I found an old Ikea (cheap stainless steel knife) knife that I sharpened up and it is running circles
around these calphalon's ( in regards to edge retention and overall sharpness attained)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Alright apparently I'm not all there this morning, I didn't realize there were 2 pages, but anyway thanks for the fast reply :)

Salty that sounds like the way to go man...


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:13 pm 
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I learned on a calphalons especially the new ones with the ergo handle and steel from Taiwan I have no clue what it is but the big green brick is where I stop on those unless it's real bad I start with a chosera 600 (soft steel remember) till I get a burr (not long) last time I literally pulled a wire as in the whole burr came off as one no joke than hit it with my personal 1000 grit the big red brick which finishes off the rest of the minor chips and the naniwa green brick is the winner on those never had a complaint yet. I have never used the katina series what are they like same junk as the rest or better. I still say for the price the wasabis are the best hands down. Peace and I hope u get lucky! We have one of those in Davidson and co rented a booth with another vendor selling pies and I didn't think since it was on a college campus guess what no knifes can be brought on campus didn't even think about that one. Damn



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:31 pm 
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Speaking of the guy in the van he must drive down here too because the guy around here messed up so many knives some can't be fixed. He belt ground a knife because the guy wanted it to be changed to a single bevel no big deal, but he ground through the opposite side to where the edge is facing the wrong way and told the customer that was how a single bevel was done it cuts from the inside, not to mention it was blue and black from the heat and charged the guy 60 bucks for quote (reprofiling) unbelievable. Seriously unbelievable. Bullman



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening at The Farmer's Market
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:49 am 

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Ahhh, don't think it was the dude in the Van who messed up the knives down there. Must have been some dude wearing boots of some kind, black Jeans, sleeveless shirt to show off his magnificent tanned forearms, and tattoo. He had dark sunglasses and a black cowboy hat. Western style belt with Hopi Indian silver buckle. Big a$$ silver and turquise ring and of course a nice watch that will rotate. And a gold WT necklace with a shark's tooth and the other is silver with bear claw. Dude also sounded like an Okie, was drinking Stoly martinis, and scared all the women off. :lol:



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