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 Post subject: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:04 am 

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the chosera stones come with a second stone that is square and about 2 inches by 2 inches. Is it to flatten the main stone?

It seems people are using other things to flatten their stones. Larger thinner flatter stones. what are they?

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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:11 am 

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I use a DMT Extra Course diamond plate. You can get an Extra-Extra course which works faster but is a little more expensive.
Here is the link to the plates on the CKTG website
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/dmt1.html


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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:24 am 

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to add to your post, the 2x2 is a nagura. it is used to build a slurry or "mud" on the stone to "speed" up the cutting power of the stone



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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:29 am 

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cooldays wrote:the chosera stones come with a second stone that is square and about 2 inches by 2 inches. Is it to flatten the main stone?

It seems people are using other things to flatten their stones. Larger thinner flatter stones. what are they?

thanks!

cooldays


That small stone is a nagura, used to clean the main stone of embedded metal particles or to raise a slurry if you want to start sharpening with a suspension of abrasive particles, which some people prefer to starting with plain water.

Naguras are not used for flattening. A DMT or Atoma diamond plate, wet/dry sandpaper on a flat surface, a metal flattening plate with abrasive powder or one of the many flattening stones are used for that purpose.


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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:25 am 

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Nothing to add to Rick's post, besides that it's a 600 grit that may be very helpful with large thinning tasks as a huge fingerstone: move the stone instead of the knife.


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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:40 am 

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is there a single dmt stone or diamond stone that will work to smooth most stones. For example, is it ok and will you not hurt a 5000 stone with the same flattenr you use for a 400?


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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:52 pm 

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cooldays, I currently use the DMT X Course on all of my stones with no issue.



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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:08 pm 
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We sell a couple flatteners. DMT makes a good one: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/dmtextracoarse.html

We also sell this similar but slightly smaller 140 grit diamond flattener.
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/140grdistflp.html



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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:12 pm 

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The DMT extra coarse is great. I flatten my stones with it. I have heard the XX- coarse is great too. I just was willing to save the extra money and use a little more elbow grease on flattening. Mark has a flattening video on the CKTG website.


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 Post subject: Re: chosera stones
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:33 am 
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THe Atoma 140 and DMT XXC are the most versatile flatteners. While they work on finer stones too, they leave a rough finish. I prefer to use a finer plate on stones above 5k like the Atoma 1200, with the DMT fine and XF having too much stiction.

The stone accompanying the Chocera stones is mistakenly called a Nagura stone. It is NOT a Nagura stone. It isn't a synthetic nagura stone. You do NOT want to create a slurry with this stone as you will get just a mix of 600 grit and whatever the stone you are using it on. So a 600 grit and 10k grit for instance gives you an unusable 10k slurry contaminated with 600 grit. At best it is a cleaning stone used to remove metal swarf stuck on a stone. It is actually a 600 grit stone very similar to a King stone. You can use it as a sharpening stone if you like to suffer. As a cleaning stone it is redundant if you have a diamond plate available. So in short it is close to useless.

These near useless cleaner stones in no way reflect that the Choceras themselves are good stones.

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