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 Post subject: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:59 pm 
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My middle/high grit shaptons after a few years of use are starting to get down towards the end other their life. So I thought it might be fun to try something new, but I'm fairly spoiled by the ease of splash n go. Are there any other splash n go stones you guys would recommend trying?

A little background for what it's worth:
I started with the king 1k/6k combo stone(it was cheap) though I can't say I ever cared for it all that much. I then picked up the 500 beston, 1.2k bestor, 5k rika and had a much better experience with them, but soaking times always annoyed me. As a result I picked up the shapton pro stones which truly frustrated me at first. The poor technique I had gotten into the habit of using and worked(kind of) on the forgiving previous stones, dulled my knives rather than sharpened them. Looking back I couldn't be more glad I got the pros as they corrected my technique very quickly. I originally purchased them with the idea of using the 500,1k, 2k on stainless and 320, 1.5k, 5k on carbon. Not sure where I heard that certain stones were formulated for carbon and some for stainless, but in my usage I find that they all work equally well on either type of steel. I guess if you wanted to split hairs some stones do "feel" slightly better than others on certain steels. If I had to pick a favorite it would be between the 1.5k and 2k on almost every type of steel. Currently, the pros are my most used stones. I use them as 2 stone(1.5k/2k, 5k), a 3 stone(320, 1.5k, 5k) or a 4 stone setup (320, 1k, 2k, 5k) pending my desired objective. The last stones I picked up were glass stones(320, 1k, 2k, 4k) mainly for use on PM steels, though once I take them out I will sharpen any knife that needs it at the moment. In my hands I find the glass do cut a fair bit faster than the pros on harder steels and although the feed back is quite different it is completely acceptable. Currently, the biggest reason I prefer the pros over glass is for the simple fact the glass stones make such a mess. I know it seems counter intuitive as the pros create a slurry/mud and the glass stones create almost zero mud. Maybe I'm alone here, but I find I can keep most of the slurry/water/swarf on the pros while I work and water/swarf runs right off the glass stones creating a huge mess.


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:14 pm 

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Tom Blodgett states that some Shaptons are formulated for carbon and some for stainless. He is highly respected and I see no reason to doubt him.

I say if you like the Shaptons stay with them.

Cheers,

Rick


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:22 pm 

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Stick to what works for you. You seem to just like a sharp knife that you can work with.

There's really no reason to change. This being said I don't like my shaptons at all. they give zero feedback and it takes the fun out of sharpening. This being said they make sharpening quick and easy.

As for the mess, I think most of us like to sharpen over the sink for easy cleanup.


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:59 pm 
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I certainly mean no disrespect to Mr. Blodgett as there is the whole evaluation of binder, filler, particle shape, etc. that I'm sure he takes into account that I do not fully understand. However, in my hands with my limited sharpening knowledge, I can't tell that certain stones in the pro series work better on stainless than carbon.

I do like the Shaptons, but variety is the spice of life ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Chocera are splash-n-go.



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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:17 pm 

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For splash and go I have to say stick with the shaptons. I've heard some stuff about chocera not being what they used to be recently. When my shaptons wear out I think I'll be trying out some nubatama or jnats.


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:20 pm 

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Mark,

I know you weren't bad talking anyone. All good. I think Tom got his info direct from Shapton. Maybe contact him? He's a good guy.

WRT your spice of life comment... If I have Emma Watson waiting at home for me I'm not gonna be booty calling Roseanne Barr. Just sayin'!


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:26 pm 
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I think Nubatamas are overrated and over priced and the majority are not splash-n-go.

This is just me thinking out loud but it has become popular for people to soak their Choceras before using them and I think that has contributed to the perceived recent increase in cracking reports. Naniwa recommends against permasoaking so maybe the over soaking can cause trouble too. To many soaking and drying cycles for the stone to handle. The stones soak up much less water when just splashing as needed.

I've heard the talk about Shaptons being for this steel or that steel but I have a hard time buying it. I've used both Pro and GS stones and they work great on anything put to them.

This is all just my opinion not meaning to tic anyone off. :geek: :D



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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
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Tall Dark and Swarfy wrote:If I have Emma Watson waiting at home for me I'm not gonna be booty calling Roseanne Barr. Just sayin'!
That is too funny :lol:

I thought the cracking issue was limited to the Chosera stones for the edge pro, no? ...$100 a stone and cracking issues gives me reason for pause. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Shapton plash n go stones?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:19 pm 
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Tall Dark and Swarfy wrote:Tom Blodgett states that some Shaptons are formulated for carbon and some for stainless. He is highly respected and I see no reason to doubt him.

I say if you like the Shaptons stay with them.

Cheers,

Rick



From I recall there are two series of the Shapton glass stones. White is what you see the most of. Gray, IIRC, is pointed more toward woodworkers.



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