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 Post subject: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:09 pm 
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Hi Mark

I just ordered the Tojiro 3pc knife set. My question is do I need the Tojiro pro roll knife sharpener only or should I order a more professional sharpening kit or should I just send the knives off to a professional when sharpening is needed?

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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:18 pm 

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OK... I realize you bought the Tojiro DP 3 piece set (nice set, by the way! ;) ) and for the money it is probably one of the highest value sets on the site. This is purely my opinion, others might feel differently. lol However for sharpening your knives I would highly suggest making an investment in a kit like this 8 piece set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/knshcoset.html

Now it is not all necessary, but it gives you an extremely good starting point to sharpen pretty much any sharp implement in the house and you can add on to it as you grow in skill.

At a bare minimum you will want this two sided stone: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/imtwosi1kst.html

With it you can keep your knives sharp, but it does not offer the same utility as the other set and you will most likely want to add to it much sooner. The other set would pretty much be all you need until one of the stones fell apart. lol

Never, EVER, use a pull through sharpener. Many of those will actually ruin the edge of a knife or shorten the life of the knife. Not to mention you could probably get the blade sharper on a brick or a piece of concrete... lol


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:48 pm 
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I'm not a big fan of the pull through sharpeners either. I know there are some people that don't want to learn to sharpen and for those people these do a barely adequate job.

I echo my friend defmunky and encourage you to learn to sharpen. It's fun, and you will never suffer from dull knives again with just a little practice.



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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:28 pm 

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Ditto. Learn to free hand sharpen. There are all manner of kit you can get into, but a 1k/5k stone set or combo stone is all you need to start. You easily come in under $100 for an outstanding starter set up and never have a dull knife again.

Check out these videos: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/knshforne1.html. Then come back with questions :D


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:40 pm 

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You know... if you get that two sided stone I linked to and a plate like this: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/40grdipl.html

You would have pretty much everything you need for sharpening, stone flattening, and blade/tip repair. Plus again it would be a good base to start from and the best thing is it would be under $100 for both. You could even add a magnetic backed strop later if you like that will stick to the metal plate and still be under $100.

Don't worry about the strop for now though. lol Just mentioning it as an add-on option that wouldn't cost much. Get used to sharpening on the stone first and foremost. You can always do quick touch-ups and honing on the 5k side. ;)

For Mark: As much as the two sided stone gets recommended, maybe a light set with it and one of the inexpensive plates might be in order. I'm thinking it doesn't even have to be discounted, really. Just something that puts the two together is all to make things a little easier for people perusing the sharpening stone sets. It would be a nice option for those just getting into sharpening and a great first step before the Arishiyama 4 pc. set. Not necessary of course, just an idea is all. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:36 pm 

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I really encourage you and anyone else to learn to sharpen a knife by hand rather than rely on a pull through mechanism for a couple of reasons.
I have yet to find anything as satisfying, rewarding and challenging as sharpening a knife by hand. When I say challenging I mean challenging ones self, always trying to improve and there is always room, there seems to be no end to it, you don't peak you just get to a different level.

The other reason is that when using a pull through device you are limited to the ability of the device itself, you don't improve, your knife comes out the same regardless of skill, passion and desire to improve as a sharpener. My wife could sharpen a knife on an electric sharpener for example just as well as I could.

If someone is interested enough in knives to visit this forum they owe it to themselves to learn to freehand, at least give it a shot and see where the path leads them. Those knives deserve it.

Sharpening knives by hand changed my life, I met some brilliant people and everyone thinks I'm cool because I can sharpen their knives..............ok, well my wife thinks I am cool, others may some day, it could happen.

Welcome to knife sharpening paradise.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:35 am 

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A co worker of mine received that same set for Christmas, I have sharpened the gyuto on my Edge Pro with Shapton GS, it formed a burr rather quickly and sharpene up very nice. I had to also repair the tip on it since then and it was fairly quick and easy with the EP. I used to free hand sharpen on a combination stone 1000/6000 and also did some on a co workers Shapton glass stones but wanted to try the Edg Pro and have some many advantages like consistency BUT I do want to huy some more stones to get better at free hand sharpening. I would also agree to what defmunky posted and later if you really enjoy sharpening try other options like the EP or different brands of stones for free hand. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:06 pm 

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ok so if i get these items i should be set to learn how to sharpen all of my knives?
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/imtwosi1kst.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/40grdipl.html
oh and what Strop were you suggesting DefMunky?

Well as far as materials that's all i will need and of course many hours of watching marks videos. I really enjoy the videos.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:28 pm 
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Darrell, that's probably the minimum to get started, but those should work well for you. Don't worry about a strop right now. You can use the 6K side of your stone to touch up your edge between sharpening sessions. You could use a few very light edge leading (into the edge) or edge trailing (spine first) strokes as a touch up if you keep your angle consistent. Use a sharpie to mark the edge bevel of both sides of the knife, then try some very light strokes on the 6k side to get an idea of what angle to hold the knife as you make your strokes.

If you'll be practicing on dull knives before hitting your new Tojiro's, I'd recommend you get one coarse stone so it doesn't take forever on the 1K and you get frustrated and tired/sloppy from the prolonged time on the stone. The Latte 400: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/la400grst.html is a nice coarse, but not too coarse stone that you can use to set/cut bevels on dull knives before moving to the 1K and the 6K to refine that edge that you created on the 400.

If you're sharpening a knife w/an already good edge bevel, you can probably start at the 1K and go from there.


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 Post subject: Re: Sharpening my new Tojiros
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:24 pm 

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ok so

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/imtwosi1kst.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/la400grst.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/40grdipl.html


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