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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:52 am 

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Wow! Thanks alot for the response. The only reason I wanted a left-handed version is to make it MY knife since my friends always joke around it and wanted to make it really MY knife haha :)

I really like the Goko, Tanaka, Kohetsu (in order)

Also I did my own little research based on budget and steel choice and found: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/moritaka8.html and http://www.chefknivestogo.com/ithagy240.html, http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kaankusugy24.html , http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kaankusugy24.html

If possible I would like a single steel blade, octogon shape or oval, 50-50 bevel, not too blade heavy and easy to sharpen!

P.S I can go 150-200$ without stones! I will get stone anyway later! :)

Thanks again! My options are narrowing down, lots of info going inside my brain at the same time haha!

Alex


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:17 am 
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Given those choices I'm going Itto-Ryu Hammered. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/ithagy240.html



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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:58 am 

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Can I ask why you'd go with this one over the other ones?


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:10 am 
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Between the Itto-Ryu Hammered and the Katsushige Anryu Kurouchi it's more aesthetics. The Anyru is probably a very good knife and I don't know of any real problems with the knife, the Itto-Ryu just appeals to me more.

As far as the Moritaka's, they are known to be very reactive to an aggravating level. There are rumors of random overgrind issues but the reactivity problems concern me more. Just wouldn't be willing to take the chance for the money.

This is just one man's opinion!



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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:15 am 

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Tough choice. Glad I don't have to make it. :)

I might lean toward one of the heavier knives, the Goko, Anryu, or Itto-Ryu, the added weight is a more natural transition from western styled knives and, depending on the grind, can result in a more durable edge.

I think all the knives you are looking at but the Tanaka are clad...fyi.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:18 am 

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You guys convinced me on the blue steel!

Almost pulling the trigger.

Hesitating between http://www.chefknivestogo.com/mamigy24.html or http://www.chefknivestogo.com/tanakagyuto1.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/ithagy240.html
And maybe a http://www.chefknivestogo.com/rikoaosu24gy.html if its a deal breaker from the others quality wise but the other three have more appeal to me.

Especially the Masqkage and the Tanaka!

What is Blue paper steel exactly?


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:28 am 
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Tanaka if you want all carbon and an excellent grind, but it may have a D handle, Mark may be able to swap out a different handle though. Kohetsu if you want stainless steel cladding, octagon handle. Kohetsu may hold an edge a touch better.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:17 pm 

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I am a lefty and D handles are not an issue. I have the Tanaka Seisko and the Goko both came with D handles. A little sanding with 600 and 1600 grit sandpaper removes the D ridge and the handle become a comfortable modified oval. The Tanaka or Goko are both great choices. The Goko has great edge taking ability and it is easy to sharpen. The carbon blade has a nice stainless cladding that looks great. The Tanaka is a great blade also. It has a real nice convex grind. The Arogami Blue2 steel takes and holds an amazing edge and is suprisingly not that reactive for an all carbon blade. Do not let the D handle sway you from buying either knife, they are both great choices and great values.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:48 pm 
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Alex - My recommendations would be:

Kohetsu 240 Gyuto if you want a very light, stainless clad blade that's a great performer. You still need to keep up w/maintenance on the carbon steel exposed at the edge, but it's a bit easier than a fully reactive blade. Handle is ambidextrous octagonal.

Makage Mizu for a middle weight, reactive blade with an ambidextrous oval handle.

Tanaka Sekiso Damascus for a middle-light weight, reactive blade with great grinds. IMO it's the most attractive of your finalists, but it does have a "D" shaped handle. If you mostly use a pinch grip instead of a racket style grip, then IMO the "D" shape is no big deal.

The Itto-Ryu Hammered is a nice nice as well. It's also a fully reactive blade. It does have a pretty large handle, though. If you have big hands this is a feature you might really like. My hands are on the smallish side of medium and the handle was a little large for my taste.

A reference size Wa handle based on my measurements of around 50 knives is about 3" circumference at the ferrule/wood junction. This is for full size knives like Gyutos, Santokus, Nakiris and such.

You've got some great selections there from which to choose!


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 Post subject: Re: Need help for a first Japanese quiver!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:06 pm 

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How can I contact This Mr. Mark for questions about handles and grinds more suited for lefties?


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