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 Post subject: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:18 pm 
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Good Afternoon,
I love to sharpen knives, so much so, before my Marines leave the wire I
check their blades and put on a new edge. I have become very interested in
your Shapton stones and would love to purchase a set. Before I spend over
nearly $2000.00 on your sharpening stones I was hoping you could offer me
some guidance. I currently own multiple pocket stones including this
Spyderco:

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=271

I would like to compliment this stone and go beyond its capability with your
stones, the steel I am trying to enhance is 154CM, D2, and S30V. I think I
am going in the right direction with the following stones:

- Glass Stone HR 1000
- Glass Stone HR 2000
- Glass Stone HR 4000
- Glass Stone HR 8000
- Glass Stone HR 16000
- Glass Stone HR 30000
- DRLP
- Pond
- 2 x Field Stone Holders
- 2 x Shapton Velcro Straps

I don't mind spending the money, especially when every review I found
regarding your Shapton stones hails them as the absolute best.

I am currently deployed, and would like to purchase what I
need to make a "mobile" sharpening solution. Would you please advise me on
my selection and if I need more grits in the middle of what I selected
above? And of course, if I may, I would like to purchase a new set from you.

Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ted



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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:15 pm 

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Ted,

I would try to requisition the following if you are able.

5345-01-392-4011 DMT Sharpening Stone 8 x 3 inch coarse diamond sharpening stone
5345-01-392-6520 DMT Sharpening Stone 8 x 3 inch fine diamond sharpening stone

Different animal from the Shapton but useful. At the very least your flattening needs will be taken care of.

Cheers,

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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:38 pm 
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I want to give you a better set for less money. This is what I would get. Don't ignore low grit stones. They will save you a ton of work. Also, ditch the 30K. The 16K is super fine and you will save a bunch of money by getting rid of the 30K. Switch out the holder and diamond plate for the ones I linked to. They're less money and the holder is much lighter which will make it easier to transport. Forget the pond. You can use a cookie sheet, bucket or sink. These stones are splash and go so you don't need to soak them at all.

- Glass Stone HR 320
- Glass Stone HR 500
- Glass Stone HR 1000
- Glass Stone HR 2000
- Glass Stone HR 4000
- Glass Stone HR 8000
- Glass Stone HR 16000
DMTXXC : http://www.chefknivestogo.com/dmtextracoarse.html
123 Stone holder: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/nastho.html



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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:40 pm 

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Gotta respect a business owner that tries to save his customers money AND get them the best set for their needs.

No stone recommendations here as I don't know enough yet, just wanted to give some kudos to Mark for being a top notch businessman. It really makes me feel better about buying from the CKtG site. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:30 pm 
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Well theres no reason not to go as fine as the 30k if you want to. The problem with the steels mentioned is the preasence of large carbides that the shaptons will not be ablr to cut. I dont see this being a problem until you start getting into the 4k-8k range. I would drop the 16k goass and add some CBN or Poly in 1u , 0.5u and 0.25u with some full size nanocloth on glass. This will take you beyond even the 30k shapton and cost less. You can also give the shaptons a sprtiz of 1u Poly or CBN to start tackling those carbides early on in the game.

Fwiw I consider 30k to be more of a mid grit :)



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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:23 pm 

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Being deployed and listing the steels you plan to sharpen I have a feeling these are folders and combat knives not kitchen knives?

If so anything beyond 1k would be a little extreme for the knives and environment.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
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Jason B. wrote:Being deployed and listing the steels you plan to sharpen I have a feeling these are folders and combat knives not kitchen knives?

If so anything beyond 1k would be a little extreme for the knives and environment.
+1
Even if they were kitchen knives there is little reason to exceed 2-5k. I take a couple knives to 8k but they don't really need it. I can't see any reason, other than maybe a couple specialty knives, to ever go above 8k if your actually looking to get a usable, lasting edge.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:20 am 

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There are actually a lot of people that like to mirror polish their pocket knife and fixed blade edges and own $400+ pocket knives and custom fixed blades in a collection... it isn't much different than it is here except we talk hard and thin fixed blades mostly that wouldn't be great for much else besides cutting up stuff to cook. ;) lol

So even though there might not be a need for it on those knives, that doesn't mean that people don't want it. :)


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DefMunky wrote:There are actually a lot of people that like to mirror polish their pocket knife and fixed blade edges and own $400+ pocket knives and custom fixed blades in a collection... it isn't much different than it is here except we talk hard and thin fixed blades mostly that wouldn't be great for much else besides cutting up stuff to cook. ;) lol

So even though there might not be a need for it on those knives, that doesn't mean that people don't want it. :)

I understand this but we're talking about knives that are actually used and not collectables. I know there are guys that have their trophies and show off EDCs and hobby knives that they enjoy taking to beautiful mirror polishes, and that's great, but any knife intended to actually be used will not benefit from a 30k edge.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking to add Shapton Glass to me sharpening
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Personally were I a soldier , I would carry 2 knives.

A small folder with a nice toothy 8k edge.
A fixed blade fighter with either a Supercharged Jnat finish , or a full bore shapton 30k stropped down to 0.025 Poly. A close quarters fight where you actually pull that fixed blade out wont last long at all. So edge retention is not really on the agenda , but you want something that will perform.

I use my knives with a 30k + edges all the time. Something that fine is easy to touch up.



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