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 Post subject: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:57 am 
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Originally titled "Best Performer for $330 or Less" but realized that "performer" could be a bit too speculative..

As I see it thin profiled Japanese gyutos are the super cars of the chef knife world. German knives are more like pickup trucks; heavy duty and will last forever but will never beat a super car in a speed test. I already have a 10" dull German Chef's knife that may as well be a cleaver, so I'm looking for something better for cutting, chopping, dicing, mincing, etc etc. I think most folks come here for the same reason; that they want performance. I've watched a lot of the videos on the site and almost all the knives are viewed positively. So, while a Lamborghini and a Ferrari would both be fantastic to drive, one of them wins if they race head to head...

So what's the best performing 240mm gyuto for under $330?

To Continue the Car theme...
Primary Concern:
    Zero to Sixty - Cutting Ability
    Top Speed - Edge Retention in Practice (not the speculated differences between steels)
Seconday Concern:
    Handling - Comfort, Weight, Balance, Nimbleness, Response, etc
    Maintenance - Ability to Sharpen (both ease and overall peak sharpness), Will the knife hold up over time with proper care
Tertiary Concern:
    Craftsmanship - Is the knife hand made by an artisan?
    Aesthetics - does it look like a knife?

Note: I understand that this is largely subjective and opinion based and that what works for one person may not fork as well for another. I understand that connotations behind "performance" and "best" can vary wildly between people. So be it.



1. Are you right handed? yes
2. What type of knife are you interested in (gyuto, nakiri etc..) gyuto
3. What size knife are you looking for? 240mm
4. Do you prefer carbon or stainless steel? either
5. Do you prefer a western handle or a Japanese handle? either
6. How much did you want to spend? $330 or less
7. Do you know how to sharpen? yes



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     Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
    PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:53 am 

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    Okay....lots of good knives to choose from in that point.

    My pick would be:

    1) Takeda AS, superb cutting ability, great retention, carbon, wa handled. Appearance is rustic, but aesthetically that works for me.
    2) Rodrigue mid tech-stainless, wa handled(soon to be western) Pierre does 154 well so if the HT is to his specs it should be good. He is meticulous in his attention to detail, so even though this is a mid tech it did not get to sale without his final approval.


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     Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
    PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:10 pm 
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    Takeda's gyuto is a good choice in this price range. It's thin and performs great with hard good steel.
    http://www.chefknivestogo.com/tagyas24.html



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    PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:43 pm 

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    I prefer good heft and carbon.

    I'll take my Hiromotos against most knives under $330.
    Takeda Stainless is first on my wishlist though.


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    If you are going to go into a japanese knife from a german blade consider looking at something slightly heavier with a thicker spine. It will feel more "german." But it will perform with the Japanese agility. There is really no right or wrong blade. Even an inexpensive carbon knife with a subpar handle can be retrofitted with an artistic handle.

    It's all mumbo jumbo and voodo at some point. Most good Japanese knives don't necessarily have to be expensive. Have fun.


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     Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
    PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:04 am 
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    Ok so, a couple votes for the Takedas.

    FYI I never liked the heavy German knives. The weight would often prove unwieldy. I don't think I'll struggle much moving into smaller and thinner knives. Thoughts on the Masakage Shimo? Anybody actually own one of them?



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       Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
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      One of my favorites, not the thinnest or the lightest but it's thin and light. Very easy to sharpen and a great cutter. Just a fun knife to use!

      http://www.chefknivestogo.com/makswa24.html



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       Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
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      I think a Kanehiro AS would be a nice knife for under $330. Although cutting ability would mainly depend on your sharpening abilities and equipment. Thinning and shaping an edge of a knife will increase cutting performance. Aogami super can be sharpened thin and will not roll like the German knives. If this is your first gyuto I would suggest purchasing something like the Richmond lines, Tanaka, Zakuri, Kohetsu, and Kajihara are all great performers for way under $330. You'll have enough dough left to get a great stone to keep your new knife razor sharp. I like nubatama. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/nuba40.html
      The green brick is great too.
      http://www.chefknivestogo.com/naao2kgrbr.html


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      Heph - I own the Masakage Yuki Gyuto and it's a GREAT knife. The Shimo Gyutos are even better performers. The Shimo 240 Gyuto would be a stunning knife, both visually and practically. They are totally ready to go out of the box with some of the sharpest edges OOTB in the industry.

      One thing to consider about the standard Takeda Gyutos is that they are very tall blades. Some people love tall Gyutos, some people hate them. Just an FYI.


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       Post subject: Re: Best Gyuto Cutter for $330 or Less
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      I recently bought a Kohetsu Aogami Super 210 gyuto. I think it is an amazing knife and a lot cheaper than $330. It is light, takes and holds a great edge and is highly versatile. Love it.


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