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 Post subject: Looking for a good rocker
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:05 pm 
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Hi Mark,

I bough a collection of Masakage's however I'm not particularly impressed with their geometry when it comes to rocking, particularly in the 240 mm gyuto (which I'm looking to replace).

Would a Kono HD2 be any better? Or should I be considering something completely different? I have previously owned ux10's which have a very nice geometry however don't hold a candle to carbon steel.

I must say I'm extremely impressed with the Masa's edge retention, it seems like it can go many weeks and remain amazingly sharp!

Thoughts?

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Michael -

You use the wood geometry, which to me means the thickness of the blade.

Do you mean profile, which is the shape of the blade as you look at it from the side?

If so, you're looking for something with more belly to the edge, more curve?

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/tagyas24.html

Takeda's come in many varities....some flat as a pancake, others as curvaceous as Jennifer Lopez....perhaps Mark can pick one for you that has more belly?

Great blades, if you can find one with a profile that suits you.



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:26 am 
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Both of these use the Sabatier profile -- peerless if you're a rocker or glider.
Richmond 52100 Ultimatum;
Moritaka KS.

The Moritaka is lighter than the Ultimatum, but no laser. It's also san-mai, which I don't like because it mutes the feeling of the knife on the board; and it's kurouchi which I don't like because I think it's ugly. Your opinion may differ.

The Ultimatum is incredibly robust for 7oz. I have a 52100 Ultimatum and like it as much as my Konosuke HD gyuto. Which is saying something. It's knocked my carbon Sabatiers out of my regular gyuto rotation -- which is saying at least as much -- since I've been a Sab guy since the early seventies and have amassed something of a collection.

The Konosuke White #2 Gyuto has a very useful and versatile profile. While the profile is not quite as sweet as the Ultimatum's, the Kono has many other things to recommend it. If the choice is between any laser and anything else... You either want a laser or you don't.

The Moritaka appears to be in stock right now, and I have it on good authority that the 52100 Ultimatums will be coming into stock shortly. Don't screw around making up your mind. Both knives are out of stock a helluva lot more than they're in.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:57 am 
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boar_d_laze wrote:"The Moritaka appears to be in stock right now, and I have it on good authority that the 52100 Ultimatums will be coming into stock shortly. Don't screw around making up your mind. Both knives are out of stock a helluva lot more than they're in."

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:19 am 
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thanks Mark,

think i want something a little more 'western' this time round.

what can u point me towards?


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
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Get the Konosuke HD western. It's a sweet knife with a nice shape for rocking, good steel, excellent fit and finish and a durable corian handle that won't shrink in a thousand years.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kohd24gyco.html



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:30 pm 
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MICHAEL <> If you resonate with Misono's, why not get a Misono.?! The carbons are not the exact profile of the UX10s, but they're nicer IMO.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/misono4.html



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 Post subject: Re: Looking for a good rocker
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Melampus wrote:MICHAEL <> If you resonate with Misono's, why not get a Misono.?! The carbons are not the exact profile of the UX10s, but they're nicer IMO.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/misono4.html

I'm gonna have to get me one of those dragons some day. :twisted:



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