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 Post subject: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:34 pm 
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Hello,

I'm a culinary student at Madison College and a few people have mentioned your website as a great place to purchase from. I'm in the market for a new 8" chef knife and have done some research and am leaning towards the Shun Premier or Henckels Bob Kramer. Do you have office hours where I would be able to check out these (or other items) prior to purchase?

Many thanks,
Heather



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:37 pm 
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Hi Heather,

We don't have a bricks and mortar store where you can come in and test out knives. I do this on occasion but it's hard for us since we're busy pushing orders out the door.

As to your question, if you answer a few from me I can give you some recommendations. There are instances when I recommend those two brands but you have to have some specific interests in a few features. Otherwise there are better options on our site.

Are you right handed?
Do you know how to sharpen?
Do you like to rock the knife or push cut primarily?
Do you want a stainless knife?
Do you want to get a western handled knife or Japanese handle?
How much did you want to spend?



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:20 pm 
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Interesting combo to be looking at.

Henckels Kramer is carbon steel, wide blade, western handled.

The Shun is stainless, clad with stainless damascus, kind of a wa shaped handle.

Profiles are completely different too. Very different knives.

I would pick the Kramer every day over the Shun....but my reasons might not match yours. I love the 52100, the profile, and the handle.



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:20 pm 
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If I had to choose between just those two knives I would have to go Shun classic.

I do like 52100 but I like stainless' ease better. I just can't get used to those funky big handles on the Kramer and the fit and finish on them are not that great (shrunken pakka wood on both of them is common). Blade profiles on both of them are not my cup of tea either.

Without knowing anymore about our questioner I recommend you ditch these and get yourself a nice Konosuke HD 240mm gyuto. Why go coach when you can go first class? :)
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kohdwa24.html



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:25 pm 
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This is a very good point Mark....if other knives are in the game, that would be an outstanding choice.



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:48 am 
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I would agree to get something else in that price range, but if you must get either the Henkels Kramer or Shun, then here's a few pointers:

The Kramer has a very big handle. It is extremely round, and is actually quite comfortable if you are into bigger handles. The choil is curved a bit and seats the hand very nice. Cons on this knife are that the steel is a bit reactive and it can be a tad clunky for professional kitchen use, although it would be quite the Cadillac for home use.

The Shun is a little more nimble with a thinner handle. Shun Classic has decent steel, but will not be as strong behind the edge... aka, don't beat it up too bad if you've never used a Japanese knife. No frozen stuff and no bones, not that I recommend that with the Kramer either, but I feel the Kramer could probably stand up to contact with a few small bones. The Shun is also not reactive.

I don't care for all the belly on either knife, but if I had to choose I'd go with the Kramer as far as profile. :)



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:04 pm 
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"I like big handles and I cannot lie...." Sorry, couldn't resist.



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 Post subject: Re: Bob Kramer or Shun?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:28 pm 
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With all the other knives available this is like trying to decide between a 1998 car or a 2013. Henkels and shun are good knives but they are out dated in my mind but still asking a premium price.



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