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 Post subject: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 am 

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I'm trying to decide on the best one as my first gyuto. What might make my question more unique is which one will have better success with sharpening? The convex edge on the Richmond gives me pause. Using a mousepad is the only way I know of to sharpen them and I've never done it.

I've got a stock EdgePro and a Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpmaker. The honest truth is that 99% of the time I'll use the Sharpmaker, as the EdgePro is a bit of a pain to use.

I'm looking at a 210mm, as it will used by the wife quite a bit and she's not a fan of anything larger. I like the bolster on the Tojiro but am not sure about the edge life vs. the Richmond's.

I'm curious why the convex edge was used on the Richmond. (No better place to ask than here ;) )

Any help would be appreciated.

One last question. What's the Rockwell for the Tojiro?


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 Post subject: Re: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:28 am 
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The Artifex is nicer than the DP. Steel is much better (easier to sharpen, takes and holds a nicer edge) and the knife doesn't feel as heavy or clunkly like the DP does. The Artifex have a convex grind to the blade, but the edge is a V shaped edge, not convex. The convex grind helps with food release and most Japanese knives also use a convex grind.


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 Post subject: Re: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:35 pm 
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Not sure on the Rockwell for the Tojiro...don't ever recall seeing it published.

Like Taz, I don't believe the edge on the Richmond is convex but even if it is, I wouldn't give two seconds thought to it. That holds true for any kitchen knife published to say it has a convex edge. That can be removed in about 3.5 seconds. :)

In order to get a convex edge, as you've eluded to, you have to sharpen with something that gives. A belt sander, sandpaper on a mouse pad, etc. It's a different means of sharpening that very few kitchen knife folks do or even really like. A convex edge isn't necessary even if the knife were to come with it.

Between the DP and Artifex, I like the steel in the Artifex so I'd go that route.



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 Post subject: Re: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:26 pm 
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I would pick the artifex every time just because of the quality of the knife and mark backs everything he does, hope he runs for president, I will run as Vice President. Gotta dream. Peace, jmbullman



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 Post subject: Re: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:32 pm 

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Jmbullman wrote:..., hope he runs for president, I will run as Vice President. Gotta dream. Peace, jmbullman


Id vote fore you guys! Haha :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Tojiro DP vs. Richmond Artifex Gyuto?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:38 pm 
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Than I accept the party's nomination. I guess we will have to declare ourselves independents or the sharpening society. Freedom for all and sharp edges for everyone plus lift the Cuban embargo I need some good stoggies! Haha



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