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 Post subject: Kikuichi TKC or V10
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:19 pm 

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Darren Wrote:

I just spoke to Devin this afternoon. He's making the Damascus steel now and we're shooting for an August 15th delivery date. I have 20 of these knives on order with a variety of different steel and handle options.

The V10 gold knives are slow sellers and I think they're overpriced for what they are. The TKC knives are excellent and I highly recommend them. They're semi stainless and take a great edge.

I don't recommend you split chickens or chop off fish heads and tails with thin bladed gyutos. Deba knives will work for this purpose or you can use something thick and soft like a Wusthof classic for this kind of work. Meat cleavers are a good option too.


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 Post subject: Re: Kikuichi TKC or V10
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:30 pm 

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Hi Darren,
Thanks for letting me post your question and my answer.

I just spoke to Devin this afternoon. He's making the Damascus steel now and we're shooting for an August 15th delivery date. I have 20 of these knives on order with a variety of different steel and handle options.

The V10 gold knives are slow sellers and I think they're overpriced for what they are. The TKC knives are excellent and I highly recommend them. They're semi stainless and take a great edge.

I don't recommend you split chickens or chop off fish heads and tails with thin bladed gyutos. Deba knives will work for this purpose or you can use something thick and soft like a Wusthof classic for this kind of work. Meat cleavers are a good option too.

Kind Regards,
Mark Richmond
ChefKnivesToGo.com


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 Post subject: Re: Kikuichi TKC or V10
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:51 pm 
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I will second this: The Kikuichi TKC has very good steel. VG-10 has better stainless properties than the steel used in the TKC, but this extra stainless takes away from the fine metal structure, allowing the TKC to have more favorable sharpening and edge holding characteristics. If you would like to know a little about the metallurgy I'd be happy to share what I know.



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 Post subject: Re: Kikuichi TKC or V10
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:45 pm 
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Knife Fanatic wrote:I will second this: The Kikuichi TKC has very good steel. VG-10 has better stainless properties than the steel used in the TKC, but this extra stainless takes away from the fine metal structure, allowing the TKC to have more favorable sharpening and edge holding characteristics. If you would like to know a little about the metallurgy I'd be happy to share what I know.


I'd like to hear more, since the TKC is currently at the top of my shopping list. Anything you can tell me, from what the default factory edge is, and the steel type, to what new edge (if any) you'd suggest reprofiling it to (and which stones to use/avoid), would be helpful. Bonus points for any tips on special maintenance needs.

Do you suggest I also buy a honesuki (chicken) knife, rather than using the TKC to break down chickens ? Is the steel that prone to chipping ?


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 Post subject: Re: Kikuichi TKC or V10
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:56 pm 
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ISIS <> I wonder why you care what the factory edge is ground at? Not to mention, the answer would be approximate & actual edge angles would vary.

The TKC steel is a proprietary blend much like Konosuke HD steel... elemental ratios are guarded.

I suggest you sharpen to many different angles to determine what fits your knife skills as well as pertinent utility. You and/or your application might be able to handle a 12 degree bevel, you might chip a 12 degree bevel; you'll never know until you practice the art. Start at 20 and work down if you need a cookie cutter approach... You have to find the balance between acute enough to perform well, and obtuse enough to retain durability... implementing microbevels is down the road, if ever.

Rick wrote:"Not to mention that learning by actually doing, and seeing how your results work in the real world will make you a better sharpener, while following a "cookbook" approach will not.

And in the end, there is no "cookbook", as the answer is, "It depends". It's like the answer to the question, "When do you sharpen your knives?" The answer is, "When they are dull", but the definition of 'dull' varies according to the individual. The 'best' angle to put on a particular blade depends so much on the skills of the person that is to use it so as to make any answer expressed in degrees meaningless. If you can't push cut without torquing the blade, an angle of twenty degrees will chip, but if you know what you are doing, ten degrees may be the 'best'."

You want to change your cutting edge geometry, by all means go ahead. In fact, I just suggested you do, every sharpening until you find a balance, but I don't suggest reprofiling your knife.

Stones are a preferential thing, but pretty much every stone on CKTG is a quality performer. JNats are a rabbit hole, and TKC steel will take as far a finish as you want to go really, but finishing in the 5k range offers fantastic utility. If you wanna step up to 8k-10k, the steel will take it... if you want that refined an edge. If I remember correctly, you already purchased your stone set.

Maintenance: It's semi-stainless. Keep it clean & dry. You don't have to be nearly as vigilant as with fully reactive steel, but don't let liquid rest on it for extended periods of time, or it will leave a stain. Not really a rust like a carbon, but it will leave a mark. It will develop a patina; it is natural & suggested. You can polish it out if you so desire.

A honesuki is a real niche knife, but if you want one knife for one low use purpose... there's your ticket. It takes getting used to, but it is very effective in its purpose. The Shun Blue Steel is nice and small & really has amazing f&f if that's your thing: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/shblst4ho.html The Konosuke HD is basically a single bevel & is - as all HD's are - from the g-ds: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kohd15wa.html The Masamoto VG is a stainless workhorse: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/masamoto-boning-knife.html

ANY high Hrc steel is prone to chipping... particularly when boning.



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