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 Post subject: New handle design for your cleavers.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:55 pm 
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Hi Mark, I have been a long term viewer and buyer on your site. I have recently been looking at Richmond Fanatic 2 AEB-l - the CCK1303 clone. I am pretty much addicted to my 1303, and also put my own tailored exotic wood handles on all my other high end knives. When I bought my 1303 (very, very coarse finish out of the box), I sandblasted it, smoothed it with multiple grades of wet/dry to a polish and put a longer stub octagonal handle on. I don’t like the few coarse gouges left by the original forging, but, hey, it’s a fantastic, inexpensive, all purpose thin cleaver – only exceeded by your #2 version. A thought for your consideration: the handles I make for my use have a 60 deg rounded bevel on the underside of the wood handle meeting the blade, which makes the finger hold transition much more comfortable. I generally don’t reshape my knife steel, but if you are designing the next version, you may wish to consider also putting a ½” radius curve on the steel to handle/meet the wood transition and make it more comfortable for heavy use. That knife I would pay a lot for!

My apologies in advance for being a bit presumptuous on this, as you have excellent cutting edge taste and products, and I admire your site and initiatives!

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Joe



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 Post subject: Re: New handle design for your cleavers.
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HI Joe,

Thanks! Do you have a photo or two of your completed 1303? I would like to see what you're talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: New handle design for your cleavers.
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Thanks for the return email and interest. I have attached a few photos of what I had in mind. My 1303 is at home in California, and my wife and I are presently at our vacation home in Ontario, Canada for the summer - I only have a few better knives up here but took a picture of two of them so you can see what I mean about the end of the handle and curve of the knife at the blade/handle transition point. The smaller one started as one of your Tojiro ITK 120 mm pettys with the resurfacing I mentioned below (I have another 120 and 150 at home as well). The handle is octagonal burl maple with a taper, both vertically and horizontally, to fit better into the hand. One of my favorite general use small knives now. The gyuto has a buckeye handle, but I am embarrassed to say I don’t remember the maker/brand. Its a hammered SS wrap on a white steel core. It came up to the cottage when I stopped using it regularly at home.

One of my frustrations early on when using either D or octagonal handles that most knives come with was the discomfort when using either an index finger grip (normal knife hold) or a middle finger grip with the index finger along side the blade (cleaver hold). With sharp corners, the knives became very hard on my heel finger to use after 5-10 minutes of aggressive work. For a long time, I put it down to bad technique, and then changed my handle design to add a concave heel transition for the handle. This results in my fingers not hurting even if they slid forward into the upper heel area. In looking at the photo of the Fanatic, it looks like the grasping finger will ride into a very tight corner not only on the upper heel but it will have additional pressure from the hard handle corner as well. This will likely make it difficult to use beyond a few minutes.

Again, please forgive my presumptuousness, as The Fanatic 2 is a fantastic idea and appears to be a massive design improvement over the 1303 in quality, finish and probably sharpness. You will be very successful with it. I’ll probably order one as a replacement for my 1303 when I get back home. BTW, I love feel and balance of my two most recent purchases from you - the Kajihara damascus 90 petty and 270 suji.

Best regards

Joe



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