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 Post subject: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:28 am 

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I want to start sharpening my own j knives and need help selecting tools. Conceptually like the slash and go concept of Sharpton Glass. To start I am thinking I need the following:
Sharpten glass 4 stone kit---500, 1k, 4k and 8k. Do I need all 4? Are these the best 4.
140 grit flattening stone. Is there something better? The DMT Dia seems awesome but obviously a lot more money. If the value is there I'm ok with it. Is there a better option?
Tijoro sink bridge
Felt demurring block.

Did I miss anything? Is this a good set up?

Thanks in advance for your advice.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:22 am 

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How about this set? http://www.chefknivestogo.com/sh6pcstset.html

It has the Shapton glass 1k and 4k, the 140 grit flattening plate (which can be used for serious blade repairs as well), universal stone holder, felt deburring block, and a jeweler's loupe. The 8k isn't really needed unless you just want it. The 1k/4k combo will give you a very nice edge. The 500 might be a nice addition as well for removing chips, but really the 1k could be used for that as well as Shaptons are supposed to remove metal quickly anyway.

I would also look at the Naniwa sink bridge: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/nasibr.html

It is cheaper than the Tojiro and does the same thing. To be totally honest, I would probably just make one with a piece of 2x4. The sink bridges are kinda expensive for what they are and what they do. Or since Shaptons are splash and go and don't make much mess, put the stone in the holder and just set it in a baking sheet. I see sink bridges being more beneficial where the stone will put off a lot of mud or needs a lot of water aside from just convenience.

Another set you might want to look at is this Shapton Pro set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/shpro3pcset.html

It comes with a 320 (for blade repair or changing a bevel), 1k, and 5k stone. The Shapton Pros are also thicker stones (should last longer) and come with their own boxes that act as stone holders with rubber feet as well. Just add the $30 flattening plate, deburring block, and sink bridge if so desired and you are close to the price of just the 4 stone Shapton glass set by itself. Or you could just get the two stone Pro set (1k and 5k) with the other stuff and again just use the 1k stone for chip removal and the diamond plate for major repairs and save over $50.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:28 pm 
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I like that first set defmunky suggested for you. It has everything you need. Because the shaptons are splash and go there is less need for a sink bridge and that's why I use them at our office on my workbench. You don't need very much water to make them work.



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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:45 pm 

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I see the wisdom of your recommendations. Is the 500 not necessary then? Mostly see a 3 stone progression, but I've never sharpened with stones. So I'll rely on your judgement.

I will buy the first set up. But I also want a strop set up. The 3x8 looks excellent. I will already have the 140 flattening plate and universal holder as part of the stone sharpening set. All I would really need then is the 3x8 leather and balsa strop. I don't see 3x8 offered separately. Is it? If not, I could separately get the strop set, 1k&4k stone package and felt. I'd then have the knife sharpening and strop set excluding Loupe for a few dollars more.

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Stone holder, flattening plate and strops: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/stsetwiunhob.html --> $60
Two stone 1k&4k Shapton Glass stone set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/sh2pcstset.html --> $122

Everything you need to get started for $182

A 500grit stone is not needed right now if your knives are in decent shape. You will need a lower grit stone eventually. You can add more stones to this set as needed or when your sure of what else you want. Some experience with this setup will give you a better idea of what you want later.



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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:23 pm 
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Scott - As you're figuring out, you do have multiple ways to assemble a sharpening/strop package. You can get the 3x8 Balsa Strop here: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/8balsastrop.html and the 3x8 Leather Strop here: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/8inlest.html. I believe they have the magnetic backing on them.

You'll need a compound to put on either or both of the substrates. I would recommend either the 3 micron or 1 micron Dia-Paste compounds for the Balsa Strop: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/didico3.html or http://www.chefknivestogo.com/didico.html. They are one of the most inexpensive options and they work well. The 3 micron is about 5-6K equivalent, the 1 micron is around 16K equivalent. You could keep the leather strop bare and try it for a while. The Dia-Paste compounds probably wouldn't work as good on leather. The sprays are better for that substrate.

I would vote for the 6 piece Shapton set: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/sh6pcstset.html, the two strops & compound, and I would also add a Shapton Glass 500 stone to your kit. It's great for setting bevels on duller knives and will save wear & tear on your 1K stone. It also doesn't cut so fast that you'll get yourself into trouble removing too much metal too quickly when learning.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:27 pm 

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The 500 helps if you are doing more serious repairs or re-beveling a knife as it will remove metal even faster. With simple sharpening and chip removal (the vast majority of what you will be doing) the 1k is a fine starting point given how fast the metal is removed. For something like reshaping a broken tip the 140 grit is the way to go first or you could be there a while, and the 1k should still be fine for smoothing it out and sharpening. In my opinion the 500 grit isn't necessary, but it is something easily added to the set if you decide you need it later down the road. A strop however (again, my opinion! lol) is definitely a good purchase. They are good for seasoned and new sharpeners alike and will remove the need for any type of ceramic "steel" or whatnot for your knives. Often a strop will bring back the edge just fine without having to actually sharpen the knife. Then if the strop fails to bring it back to a satisfactory level, hit the stones. ;)

For the separate strops, have a look at this page: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/strops.html

The 3x8 strops seem to occupy the top two rows for me. You should be able to use the 140 grit plate as a base in the universal holder for the strops. The plate's grit will hold them in place and keep them from sliding around, plus you will have more height to work with which is nice for hand clearance of your work surface. Further down in the page you will see the compounds available for use.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:22 pm 
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I like a 320 grit better than a 500. It is a little faster and a little more versatile and you can go straight to your 1k from there. This is why I say I'd wait a little while on the low grit stone. You'll be more informed to get what you want after a little more experience. I started with the 1k & 6k from Arashiyama(great stones I might add!) http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html. Got a low grit stone after my knives became to much work for a 1k. Later added a 3k stone to stop on some of my softer knives that didn't need a 6k finish. The Arashiyama 6k is probably still my favorite polishing stone to date.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:52 pm 

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The Shaptons are probably enough splash and go that you don't need a sink bridge...just a shop rag to catch the water ought to work.


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 Post subject: Re: Need help selecting sharpening tools
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:29 pm 

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I have Shapton glass stones. I'll tell you what I would recommend. 320, 1K and 2k to start with. You will need a stone holder too. The deburing felt is not needed. If you hone them right you will not have a bur when you finish. Going beyond 2K is not needed unless you just want a mirror polish. Get a good lapping plate and magnifying glass. A board strop with a good compound will be a plus but not a must to get started.


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