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 Post subject: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:27 pm 
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Hi Mr. Richmond,

My name is Albert. I have the 2000, 5000, and 8000 shapton pro stones and feel that they need a little extra. I have been flattening them one with the other but dont feel comfortable with how they feel when I am sharpening my knives. I was wondering which plate would be better to flatten my shapton whetstones with? I saw your video concerning DMT plates and was wondering which plate I should get, extra extra course, extra course, course??? Sorry for the seemingly stupid question but thought I would ask an expert before I ruined my stones or knives.

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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:30 pm 
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Hi Albert,

Yes flattening against each other is better than nothing but it's not ideal for a couple reasons. First, your low grit stone does all the work but doesn't get flat and that is the stone that will dish the quickest.

The DMTXXC (extra extra coarse) is a good flattening plate. I also like and have kind of been converted to the Atoma 140 grit plate but it costs a little more. Both are good.



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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:15 pm 
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After starting with the DMT XXC and progressing to the Atoma 140 I can tell you there is no comparison. If it is in your budget go long and get the Atoma, you won't regret it. It will actually save you money in the long run.



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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:34 pm 
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+1 on what Mark and Jeff said. i would also add that the DMT plates tend to stick very badly to the stones while flattening. the atoma doesn't stick at all, and is definitely the way to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:26 pm 
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I hate reading all of this Atoma praise. :)

I've owned and used the DMT XXC as a flattening plate for a long time and can attest to it's ability to work well as such.

Never tried the Atoma....though I'll break eventually. :)



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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
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Adam, do you find sticktion between the DMT and stone to be a problem? That is my only and biggest beef with my DMT.


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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
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Yeah, there is definitely stiction with that plate and most any finer grit stone. It's usually not too bad though.



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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:11 pm 

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The DMT does suffer from suction, especially on softer stones. It gets the job done, but can be a pain to use sometimes. Also, it's quite heavy compared to the Atoma. If the Atoma was priced at $140, I think I would still get it over the DMT. The quality is exponentially better IMO. Plus, it handles minor repairs with ease. A few shots for comparison. Not the best photos, but the differences are very apparent.

DMT XXC - Smaller diamonds, inconsistently spaced, and a lot less of them. The tiny holes on the surface may contribute to the suction when air and mud gets trapped
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ATOMA 140X - My guess is that the larger diamonds which are spaced adequately helps mud and air move through easier when flattening, causing very limited suction.
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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:23 pm 

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those are some amazing shots!


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 Post subject: Re: Need extra
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:12 pm 

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FWIW the Dia-sharp and Duo-sharp plates are not recommended by DMT to be used as lapping plates. They are sharpening plates. DMT sells actual diamond lapping plates, but they are much more expensive.


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