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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:57 am 
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I have a Shimo petty along with a few others so...
I would have two questions to consider for you as you ponder the next purchase(s):
1) Is full carbon a problem? It is highly reactive which is new for some people. I left it out chasing my new kid around for a little while (10 mins?) and it was pretty marked, but a little maintenence and it comes around like all metal.
2) Is thin a problem? It's a laser and you need to treat it as such.

I would say it's the most beautiful knife in my kitchen and I love it's cutting performance. I prefer blue over white steel but it's not really noticable.

Good luck however you go!

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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:03 pm 

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Hey coach how does the "frost" on the outside handle after cleaning up the patina?


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:05 pm 
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Charcuterie wrote:Hey coach how does the "frost" on the outside handle after cleaning up the patina?


Yes, pray tell.



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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:55 pm 

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Again, thanks everyone for all the comments and advice.

I am pretty settled on the topic knives, with a change in the Gyuto to 240 and keeping the Petty at 120.

Also, I do want to replace my affectionately referred to as a "POS chef knife" for another work horse for the ugly work. I like what I read about two of the options provided by Dan_Crubenew, I am assuming he was referring to the 240 also, please correct me if I am wrong.

1. The Tojiro DP 240 at $100

2. The Richmond Artifex AEB-L 240 Southern Wisconsin Second Harvest Food Bank at $90

The only other Gyuto knife in that price point is the Goko Gyuto 240 Damascus at $100, but I am assuming based on the description of the blade that this would not be an appropriate choice as a "workhorse for the ugly work" knife. Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

It is a real toss up, I aesthetically like the Tojiro a little bit more but helping the food back has its merits.

Regarding coachnj's post, it is great to hear from an owner and user. I recognize that full carbon requires extra maintenance and especially prompt maintenance and I am okay with that. Regarding the thin blade, assuming that the only issue with it is a potential to damage it. Again, I am comfortable caring for the knife and using it properly to prevent damage. If there are other concerns, please explain.

I would also like to here back from coachnj regarding how the frost damascus held from the cleaning.

Please accept my appreciation for all the advice.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:09 pm 
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I was a little worried about losing the "Frost" but I didn't really want the discoloration that was evident (patenas are fine, but this was bad). But I went slow and nothing seemed hurt. I've included a photo and hope it works...


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:41 pm 

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coachnj wrote:I was a little worried about losing the "Frost" but I didn't really want the discoloration that was evident (patenas are fine, but this was bad). But I went slow and nothing seemed hurt. I've included a photo and hope it works...


They still look great! I expected the frost to hold some of the discoloration.


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:00 pm 

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Scary,

For a beater you may want to stay away from the Tojiro DP gyuto. VG10 has a reputation for chipping. The Tojiro heat treat is good, and I have had not problem with my DP for normal usage, but I do not use it as a beater. The Artifex may hold up reasonably well in that application because of its thick grind and relatively obtuse factory bevel angle.

Most people use a western steeled knife because they are softer and less prone to chipping. So maybe look at Henckles, Wusthof, Messermeister, or Victorinox. The Vic would be very budget friendly. The Messermeister has nice edge geometry and when I handled one at a store, it felt better to me than the other big German names.

Alternatively, you could do the Tojiro DP Wester Deba. While it is VG10, it has a beastly grind. The 240mm Deba is 1lb. People who have handled them like the 210mm because it has a more user friendly weight.


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:01 pm 
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I don't recommend the Goko Damascus for the job, it is too thin. Victorinox is pretty much the universally abused knife. Cheap, pretty indestructable. Tojiro DP Deba would be better than the Gyuto, but it weights 1#. I have had all, ALL, German style knives that I have used chip out doing things that DO NOT chip my VG-10 knives. Maybe it is just the knife, it isn't a Tojiro.



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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
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Like Dan said, for a beater you couldn't do better than a Victorinox. I have a 210 Artifex and like the AEB-L and it has served me well. Just got the Goko 240 damascus and while it is a good deal, it is just about a laser and I would not consider it a beater.


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 Post subject: Re: Masakage Shimo Petty 120 and Gyuto 210 advice
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:59 pm 

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I have a 240 Shimo Gyuto and it is a very nice knife, but have a couple of observations: 1) the frost pattern does patina in a way that I think enhances the pattern; it gives a depth to it, 2) the handle, at least on my knife, was mounted further back on the tang than my other Gyutos; it looks and feels funny. I re-handled the knife with a custom handle and put it in the same position as the factory handle....I am planning on taking it off and moving it forward a little, 3) the spine and choil were a little rough and needed some rounding and smoothing. Having said all that, I would buy the knife again.

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