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Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:30 am

I have sharpened (poorly) some house knives at work on a 1000 grit whetstone. I am going to start practicing more with some cheap knives. The stone at work is almost a half-pipe, it is so unevenly worn.

I am going to buy a set of stones and, like my knife purchases, I plan on buying something that will last.

There are so many different sets to choose from, and I don't know what kind of stuff I really need. I have just looked at these sets, and wonder if I need anything more than these to keep a blade that makes me smile every time I use it. I'm not sure which would be the best set for me.


I don't know what the situation with strops is, or if that is not too important to worry about.

I do want to keep as sharp of an edge as I possibly can on my knives.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:27 am

This is my personal favorite http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html

If you feel like you need something with a coarse stone then the first 3pc set you have linked would be good too.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:45 am

Jason B. wrote:This is my personal favorite http://www.chefknivestogo.com/4pcshstset.html

Add this and you'll be set for a long time. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/xxcdiplandun.html

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:18 pm

I like that first, 3 piece, set you linked to personally.

At the end of the day, though, they're all good sets and personal choice isn't a perfect indicator of the best stones.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:46 pm


I think that this is the setup I am going to start with.

I don't know much about the strops, but for $10 more, I figured it can't hurt to just get them now. I'm not sure if I need any oils for them, or if they can or should be used dry.

Thank you guys for all your input.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:46 pm

Very good sharpening set up. You can use the strops dry to start and pick up compounds for them later once you have a better idea what you want to try.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:17 am

I can tell you right now, the edge you get off of the Rika 5k on that TKC is going to blow you away. Sharpening the TKC or Konosuke HD is just a pleasure. Following up with strops will of course sweeten the deal, but is not necessary.

Personally I like the Shapton set the best, but it would really benefit from the addition of a 320 stone to really make it complete. The Shapton 1k is so much better than the Bester 1200 IMO, and the Shapton 4k will leave a very nice edge as well. The Rika 5k might give you a bit more refinement, but is not as fast or as good against high alloy steels as the Shapton. For your purposes (Aogami Super and TKC steel) the Rika and Bester will work just fine, but if you start getting high-alloy stainless steels later on you will notice the difference a lot more.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:22 am

I sharpened the Kikuichi today, and it is awesome. I don't know about the strops, though. Which one do I use first? The balsa wood, or the leather?

Also, is there something I can do to polish the blade? I want to keep it looking nice.

Re: Just bought Takeda and Kikuichi 240 Gyuto

Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:34 am

4REAL <> I'm glad you asked as it was something I was going to address. It was suggested to use them dry... I agree on the leather, I disagree on the balsa. You are going to need an abrasive for your balsa. I suggest 1 micron which equates to around 13k. Anything more for you is just silly. Boron Carbide paste is great, but the diamond spray is least expensive & a top performer this. <--link

Anyhow, as is, I would finish with a stropping sequence on your Rika, and then transition to your naked leather bench strop. Once you acquire an abrasive, you would transition from the Rika, to the charged balsa strop, and then finish on the nude leather.

You can strop on nude balsa. I would not; I do not.

You can charge your leather. I do, but I always finish on nude leather. With your one leather & one balsa, I strongly recommend charging your balsa & leaving your leather nude. This is MORE THAN versatile enough to finish your sharpening, and to refresh your edges.

If/when buying additional strops, pay attention to purchase the 8" strops... not the 11".

Polishing can be done easily with the rust remover blocks <--link. Use the 2k then 3k progression. Wet sandpaper in a similar progression works. For cheap, you can also polish the blade face with reserved stone swarf, from your 1200 & 5K, on microfiber. Bear in mind, the TKC wants to dull as a semi-stainless.
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