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 Post subject: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:41 pm 
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Thanks for the quick reply Mark. Are there any other good alternatives to the Kohetsu AS 210mm Gyuto for less than $200?

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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:45 pm 
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If you want to stick with a wa handle this Itto Ryu is hard to pass up at the price we're offering it at. I like it a lot: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/itha210gy.html



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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:54 pm 

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Thanks for the really quick replies. Is Blue #2 in the Itto Ryu the same as Aogami Super?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:07 pm 
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No, white #2 and aogami super are both made by Hitachi steel but aogami super tends to be heat treated harder. They're both good knife steels.



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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:31 am 
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You probably got the Konosuke 210mm White #2 Gyuto as well. They appear pretty close to one another.



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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
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The kohetsu blue #2 is similar in profile and grind to the Kohetsu AS except it comes with a western handle. Blue #2 and white #2 are extremely easy to sharpen and keep sharp.

The Itto Ryu white #2 is also an excellent choice, it is a slightly heavier and stiffer knife which is not a bad thing, just depends on what you prefer. I don't own one but am considering getting one. I understand the current stock of Itto ryu comes with a different material used for the cladding from the earlier batch. Does anyone know if the new cladding is reactive?


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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
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I do not own the Kohetsu 210mm but it is said to be very thin. I own the 240mm and it is said to be a bit thicker though still thin in the scope of things. I also own the Anryu Hammered 240mm and though it is a bit thicker yet it is an outstanding knife thought a bit higher than $200. My Goko is 85% of the quality of the Anryu and 75% the price so I might add that to the pot as well.

Two that I do not own that pop to mind... If you care about the laser thinness the Konosuke HH might be a good knife to consider. The Konos are the quintessential lasers and near, though slightly over your budget at $215. The Masakage Yuki is often mentioned alongside the Anryu but is also slightly higher than $200.

To add a degree of consternation the Masakage and Konosuke are both out of stock at the moment.

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kaanasgy21.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/gokogyuto210mm.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/kogy24.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/mayugy21.html


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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:12 am 

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alex wrote:Thanks for the really quick replies. Is Blue #2 in the Itto Ryu the same as Aogami Super?


The itto ryu is white #2. Its not the same as Aogami Super. There's Blue #2 and Blue #1 which correspond to white #2 and white #1 in terms of carbon content. The blue's have other metals mixed in to make them less reactive and more wear resistant. Aogami (blue) super has more carbon then the #1s and #2s allowing it to be heat treated harder and take more acute angles when sharpening.


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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:59 pm 

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Thanks for all the feedback guys, I just ordered the 240mm Kohetsu AS gyuto. Never had a 10in knife and I've read it's pretty easy to go a size up from European to Japanese knives.

I really liked the aesthetics of the Itto Ryu Hammered and am also wondering if the cladding is reactive??


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 Post subject: Re: Good alternative to the Kohetsu AS 210 gyuto?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:25 pm 

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I believe the Itto Ryu is iron clad. If so it is reactive.


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