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 Post subject: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:31 am 

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Hello everyone,

I'm new here and only found this forum after emailing Mark.

At the moment I share a set of victorinox fibrox knives. I love sharp knives, sharpening and cooking. Wanting good a sharpening stone set like the edge pro has brought me to this site :)

I have $900 to spend (well it's $1000 aus but our currency is low) including shipping, to buy some knives (will also post in the knive Q&E section) and sharpening tools.

So far i was thinking the Edge pro Essential kit http://www.chefknivestogo.com/edproesset.html

The DMT 2" x6" diamond plate for edge pro http://www.chefknivestogo.com/dmt2x6diplfo.html

Shapton glass stones 8K and maybe the 16k http://www.chefknivestogo.com/sh8kglstfore.html
http://www.chefknivestogo.com/shglst16kfor.html

Rock hard debarring felt block http://www.chefknivestogo.com/harohadefebl.html

some kind of strop, spray and/or paste (no idea what to get in those)

And the rest on knives (probably around $400

Do I need to add or remove anything?

Thanks,

Eric


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:29 pm 
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I would forego the 8k & 16k for now, and substitute a 140 Atoma for the DMT. Throw in a 5-6k finisher and a non-EP strop with some 1mic CBN. Felt block, yes.

Your new knives may appreciate something finer than an 5-6k, but for kitchen duty, plenty good. Anything over 2-3k on a Forschner is just a waste, IMO.

Learn the EP first, get a good knife or two, and revisit this in a few months.



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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:05 pm 
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I would also fore-go the 8K & 16K until much later, if at all. With the 4K Shapton GS in the kit and a strop you'll get screaming sharp edges - and I mean stupid sharp :-).

IMO, the DMT 2x6 is essential as a tool to flatten your Shapton EP stones - you need this.

If you don't need to remove a lot of metal on your existing knives, then the 500/1K/4K in the kit should work nicely. The Atoma 140 for the EP will make quick work of setting new bevels on really dull knives, changing edge bevel angles, thinning knives, etc.

I would get the Angle Cube for repeatable accuracy that you can document in sharpening logs.

For stropping you might try this 3x8 leather strop: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/8inlest.html and/or this 3x8 felt strop: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/3xfestpad.html
and also this 1 micron diamond spray: http://www.chefknivestogo.com/1midisp10cah.html.

The felt is nice, but you can also deburr on wine corks. Some people even use the edge of a piece of 2x4 wood.

You'll love the EP with the Shapton GS stones!


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:39 pm 
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Ask as many people and you'll get as many answers to your question on this one. ;)

I agree hold off on the 8k and 16k. Also skip the small DMT plate, the 2 x 6 can be used as a flattener for the EP stones but it SUCKS at it. Just because you CAN do something isn't always the best reason to do it. Get a full size plate for flattening, trust me on this. I suggest the Atoma 140 full size or DMT XXC but the economy 140 plate that Mark sells will be fine in the roll of stone flattener for you. As for use on the EP get the Atoma 140 for the EP, it is more spendy but it is worth it for sure. Makes short work of repairs and new bevels. You might also consider adding a GS 2k to the line up. The jump from 1k to 4k is much easier with the 2k in-between, and having the 2k opens up more possibilities edge wise in your sharpening arsenal. The only other optional thing is to ass a stone to run between the Atoma and the GS 500. I find the Nubatama 150 to be perfect for this.

I too would go with a hand stropping setup. This set will get you started and it has the 140 plate and holder in it too. http://www.chefknivestogo.com/stsetwiunhob.html

Summery:

Get the essential set.
Hold off on the 8k and 16k for now.
Add Atoma 140 and GS 2k stones instead.
Add stone flattener (Get a full size one, really.)
Go for a hand stropping setup.
Optional now or later 150 Nubatama or GS220/320 etc. for the move from the 140 Atoma.

This will be a setup that takes you where you want to go for years to come. Enjoy!

* footnote: The 2x6 DMT plates are useable on the EP as is but they are a pain in the ass. I think they really need to be mounted on blanks, otherwise they move and fall off the EP stone arm. Especially with the Apex, the Pro model seems to cope with them un-mounted slightly better but mounted they ROCK. That said if I had not bought all 4 of them first knowing what I know I'd have a set of the Atomas instead of just the single 140 for the EP.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:32 pm 
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+1 to all of the above, however, got to agree with Paradox - get the 140# Atoma in place of the DMT, the 2x6 EP mounted will work well, both for stone flattening, as well as re-profiling edges.

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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:27 am 
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Ep essentials set plus...

Shapton GS 2k
Shapton GS 8k
Angle cube
Roo Leather Strop
Kens 1Micron CBN (Spray or Emulsion you choose..)



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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:52 am 

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shapton 2k glass stones are out of stock, should i go for the pro instead? say one of the 16k stones are .5 microns, would a .5 micron past or spray have the same effect on the strop instead of using the stone?

due to the shipping cost to Australia, I might see if I can get all the things I need now, so when I get better at sharpening, I will already have the gear. and depending on what tax I get back this year I may even go over my budget :D


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:18 am 

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I was using a .5 micron paste strop block after a 10,000 chosera. It put an even nicer polish on the edge. I can't comment on the spray though, sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:27 am 
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Mark said the 2k GS will be in soon. Maybe he can update for us?


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 Post subject: Re: Getting some new toys!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:22 am 
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Hey slice. The 16k is about 1 micron. Which is why I suggested you go to 1 micron cbn instead of the stone. They will perform similarly

Mark just made a big order of 2k GS stones so they should back in stock in another week or two. So I would just hold off on getting everything until then. You could contact mark and get them to set aside the rest of the order until the 2k comes in so you only need to pay the shipping once.

I feel your pain brother. Canada shipping actually is not to different than AUS sometimes....
Hell if you really wanna do it once do this....

Atoma 140 , 400 , 600 , 1200
Shapton GS 320 , 500 , 1k , 2k , 4k , 6k , 8k , 16k , 30k
Nanocloth strop
Polycrystalline spray 0.1micron

Slightly overkill but............. :)



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