Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:05 am
Melampus wrote:STEVEO <>
I am a strong advocate against culinary school. I am an even stronger advocate against working in food service. Shitty job w/mostly shitty people, for shitty pay, during shitty hours… anyone consciously & willingly trying to enter the industry is a dolt.. IMO. There are the young children out there like the Canadian LUNA,
who have that beautifully innocent perspective of life whereas “the life of a starving artist” is cool, but odds are he will wake up and smell the roses. Hopefully before his stubborn youthful spunk wastes his life away on the shit-hole of an industry professional food service is. I’ll repeat - hopefully before his stubborn youthful spunk wastes his life away on the shit-hole of an industry professional food service is.
To quote him, “I can't really picture myself doing anything else, day in day out I enjoy the work I do. It's my life, it's what makes me happy and what makes me want to wake up in the morning. “ Odds are, as I’m sure most adults will concur, 95% of teenagers’ vision is limited at best. It would be extremely difficult for him to picture anything else as he has such a tiny amount of life experience to draw upon. Maybe he’s the 5%... I doubt it. Suggested reading:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4817&hilit=culinary%20school <--linkNBLES <>
I glean that’s rhetorical as they’re both useless fodder in our way.
I think you underestimate how cunning our generation really is. I have a wide skill set, I could, like I've said before, go to school for engineering or industrial design. However, that's not what I wish to do.
I would however be a complete fool to travel outside the country for work. You guys in the states, I truly feel for you. Work is scarce and low pay from what I hear. People end up working in the service industry as their is no other jobs. However up here, the industry is thriving as it pretty much always has. Will I make as much money as I could being an electrical engineer? Hell no, not unless I get really lucky that is. However, to me that's not a fulfilling life. To me.
Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:35 am
And like I've said before, "I wish you all the best
" as the beliefs you hold as the teenager you are will nearly invariably change in the not so distant future. I'm simply offering a wisdom of age, experience, and intellect that you will ignore now as you have in the past... I'd expect nothing less from you.
Rock on, dude! I'm just presenting a perspective that you clearly have to realize the hard way. Hopefully, it doesn't take you too long.
Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:02 am
As an outsider of the industry, is there that big a difference in pay and average work conditions between the States and Canada?
Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:57 am
Management makes around $70k/year and junior managemen is 40k/yr. Both with room for bonuses dependent on performance- mostly penny pinching. Line cooks are making around $25/yr depending on OT. Most of my line cooks work two restaurant jobs and work 70+ a week.
I get other perks. Only pay 1/3 of my healthcare, 40 hours of PTO and 401k contribution depending on company stock at the end of the year. I live in the mid-west and my two room condo mortgage is around 1k a month with taxes in a nice part of town.
Go to a big city and we are all making a drop in the bucket.
I don't know what they make up north.
Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:23 pm
In the mega cities there are tons of foodies. Well, the best way to explain where I live is this. People immigrate because they are poor and want a better life from their family. OR because they are filthy stinking rich.
We have a lot of foodies with a thriving service industry, now you have to work for it. I know many people that are making the $18/hr in there 20's.
To sum it all up, if you want to make money, there is a lot of potential in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. This being said, there's a lot of people in the service industry making bottom of the barrel wages and working long hours.
Before someone points this out I know, potential does not = success.
It's not impossible for an executive chef to make 6 figures in Toronto/Vancouver. Although the average I believe is 60K.
Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:44 pm
You've got a choice to make. Make money or learn.
Only you can make that decision
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